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Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by mcv on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:59AM (#35422006)
In some ways, Ukraine has already won; Putin intended to capture Kyiv in three days and completely failed to do that. He turned to some minor territory gain, but that's also going very poorly. Russia's winter campaign is almost a complete failure, with tens of thousands of lives lost for very minor gains.

Ukraine is smaller than Russia, but by no means a small country. Ukraine has 40 million people and is far more motivated to fight than Russia is. Russians really have nothing to win here; it's just about Putin's pride. Meanwhile Ukrainians are fighting for their lives, their country, and the future of their children. These are powerful motivators, and go a long way towards explaining Ukraine's unwavering morale in the face of overwhelming odds.

Ukraine also fights much smarter. Russia uses very primitive tactics: use massive artillery to flatten entire cities, move infantry in, and if they get killed, flatten the place with artillery again. And then they ran low on artillery ammunition, not to mention that many of their barrels have been so overused they can't shoot straight anymore, so now they've resorted to human wave attacks. Ukrainian defenders of Bakhmut have described wave after wave of Russian attackers crawling over the dead bodies of their dead comrades only to get gunned down too. There's no sophistication at all, and coordination is often poor.

Meanwhile Ukraine with its more limited resources executes very smart attacks. Most of the time they target Russian supply lines to make it harder for Russia to fight. But sometimes they've undermined Russian positions so much that they can suddenly grab an enormous swath of territory, like they did east of Kharkiv and west of Kherson.

I frankly don't see how Ukraine can lose this. In some ways they have already won. Although of course it really depends on how you define victory and loss here; both sides have lost a lot, and any end result where Putin is in a position where he can try again later, means that the war for Ukraine is not really over.

Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by foverzar on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:31AM (#35424208)
> Putin intended to capture Kyiv in three days and completely failed to do that.

What exactly is that assertion even based on?

People talk like it is some kind of a definite fact, but there is no reference to any particular source or a universal explanation of how this was deduced.

Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by mcv on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:50AM (#35424580)
We were alive and following the news when it happened. I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this. It's pretty well-reported. They fought on the outskirts of Kyiv, lost a bunch of troops and material, and eventually withdrew when they couldn't make any further progress.
Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by medo-bear on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:08PM (#35426278)
> I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this

well for starters the fact that there is no record of him saying that

Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by mcv on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:29PM (#35431547)
There's plenty of record of him doing it, though.
Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by medo-bear on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:04PM (#35433643)
so at best you are just inferring
Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by mcv on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:27AM (#35436270)
I'm looking at his actions, rather than believing the words of a liar.

Just before the war, he said he was not going to invade. Then he did it anyway. His words are meaningless. His actions are what counts. And he obviously did try to take Kyiv. There were paradrops intended to take Kyiv in hours, even. There was a push by more forces to take Kyiv in days. It all failed because they encountered far more serious resistance than they expected, and it turned out they lacked the supplies for a longer operation, and couldn't get those supplies organised in the face Ukrainian defense specifically targeting Russian supply lines. Eventually they couldn't make any progress and withdrew. Though not before murdering lots of civilians in Boucha.

Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by medo-bear on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:36AM (#35436326)
in 2014 in odesa ukranian nationalists burned protesting students alive. please dont pretend this war is a holywood good vs evil film
Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by defrost on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:50AM (#35436417)
This would be the building fire:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-o...

that started after both sides hurled molotov cocktails at each other?

The world is complicated, yes, but your comment reducing this to "one side burned the other side alive" is disingenuous at best.

Re:Russia confiscates passports of senior officials to stop ... by medo-bear on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:42AM (#35436809)
the people trapped in the building were either prevented from leaving or beaten up as they tried to leave, while ukranian nationalists chanted "brun! burn!" on the street