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Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by jameshart on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @08:10PM (#35268865)
We are talking about 37Signals here. This is the company that, when faced with the problem of making a shared to-do list application, created Ruby on Rails. And when they decided to write up their remote working policy, published a New York Times bestselling business book.

This is not a company that merely shaves its Yaks. It offers a full menu of Yak barber services, and then launches a line of successful Yak grooming products.

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by benatkin on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @08:44PM (#35269127)
They seem to have lost their touch though. I think they peaked with Remote.

After typing that I found that they renamed from Basecamp Inc. back to 37signals and their website is trying to hearken to their past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37signals

Edit: lol https://37signals.com/22/

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by tptacek on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @08:49PM (#35269165)
You could just look this up. They renamed to Basecamp because they decided to be a single-product company (at the same time, they divested Highrise and Campfire). Six years later, they launched HEY, their email product, so "Basecamp" stopped making sense as a name. They wrote a post about this last year.

later

I added "six years later", but I don't think it changes the meaning of what I wrote originally.

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by benatkin on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @08:52PM (#35269200)
People were used to calling them 37signals, so even if that's the sole reason they renamed, it's more complex than that
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by tptacek on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @08:54PM (#35269218)
Most HN people probably never stopped calling them 37signals, so this seems like an especially weird thing to get hung up on.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by datadeft on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:25AM (#35273038)
Are they dead-naming a company? Isn't that illegal in California already?
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by mattl on Thursday March 23, 2023 @03:58PM (#35280469)
I don’t think they were ever Basecamp Inc, I think they were always an LLC.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by ulope on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:35AM (#35288862)
That decision was always baffling to me. Basecamp is such a UX nightmare even Jira looks good next to it...
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by Dalewyn on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @09:38PM (#35269476)
Wouldn't surprise me if they're doing all that with Yakety Sax[1] blaring in the background.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by madeofpalk on Thursday March 23, 2023 @06:19AM (#35272482)
...and don't forget the time where they wrote a blog post, kept posting through it, and a significant amount of the company quit.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by ubercore on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:11AM (#35272908)
I do forget that time -- what's the context?
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by madeofpalk on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:16AM (#35272948)
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dangwhy on Thursday March 23, 2023 @09:12AM (#35274214)
> significant amount of the company quit.

no they didn't

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by mr_ndrsn on Thursday March 23, 2023 @10:53AM (#35275739)
Yes, they did. This is not a debatable fact. IIRC, it was 30%+ of the company.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dangwhy on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:31PM (#35277291)
i am sure you will supply proof for your claims.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by jameshart on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:37PM (#35277380)
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dangwhy on Thursday March 23, 2023 @01:02PM (#35277751)
> at least 20 people — more than one-third of Basecamp’s 57 employees — had announced their intention to accept buyouts from the company.

Thanks for subjecting me to this crap article ( Which i presume you didn't bother to read.).

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by jameshart on Thursday March 23, 2023 @01:42PM (#35278467)
The article seems to provide evidence for the claim that a dispute within the company over the messaging from leadership led to 1/3 of the staff leaving. I provided it without comment.

Do you believe that a significant proportion of the staff did not quit? Do you have an alternative source that provides evidence for that version of events?

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dangwhy on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:41PM (#35279392)
what a nonsensical argument. So you believe half of hollywood relocated to canada after trump got elected?

> Do you believe that a significant proportion of the staff did not quit?

Yeah i'll go around trying to prove the negative when i was not the one that claimed some BS as "fact" ( i know you are different from op).

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by jameshart on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:03PM (#35280520)
announced their intention to leave... to the company... in response to the company making an open offer to people of terms for them to leave.

That seems like a slightly different prior, in terms of our Bayesian assessment of the probability that those people remained employed at the company afterwards, than your hypothetical engagement to Ms Johannsen.

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dangwhy on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:43PM (#35281000)
> to the company

Where did you get this though?

> had announced their intention to accept buyouts from the company.

Is it just people clicking 'yes' reaction to internal slack message ? This didn't sound like they were making any commitment ' to the company' .

Also do you have any comment about the title of the article that you linked. Does that seem honest to you?

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by madeofpalk on Thursday March 23, 2023 @05:23PM (#35281485)
So strange to white-knight a company and attempt to deny something that happened pretty publicly...

> As a result of the recent changes at Basecamp, today is my last day at the company. I joined over 15 years ago as a junior programmer and I’ve been involved with nearly every product launch there since 2006.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210430155528/https://twitter.c...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210430140035/https://twitter.c...

https://twitter.com/zachwaugh/status/1388190748189802501

> I’m leaving my position at Basecamp, where I’ve worked for 4 years, due to the recent changes and new policies.

https://twitter.com/lexicola/status/1388189598367559688

https://twitter.com/dylanginsburg/status/1388199059983413257

https://twitter.com/jonasdowney/status/1388205182916440070

> Given the recent changes at Basecamp, I’ve decided to leave my job as Head of Design.

https://twitter.com/mackesque/status/1388206605506842627

https://twitter.com/kaspth/status/1380616358266871810

https://twitter.com/wcmoline/status/1388208323908968449

> I have left Basecamp due to the recent changes & policies.

https://twitter.com/conormuirhead/status/1388207801646780416

https://twitter.com/Rahsfan/status/1388209146487623681

https://twitter.com/AdamStddrd/status/1388223100823642112

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by madeofpalk on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:54PM (#35283200)
> Last week was terrible. We started with policy changes that felt simple, reasonable, and principled, and it blew things up internally in ways we never anticipated. David and I completely own the consequences, and we're sorry. We have a lot to learn and reflect on, and we will. The new policies stand, but we have some refining and clarifying to do.

https://world.hey.com/jason/an-update-303f2f99

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dangwhy on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:33AM (#35288178)
> So strange to white-knight a company and attempt to deny something that happened pretty publicly...

it was just skepticism from seeing these sorts of claims over the years. Half of hollywood would be in canada if people really followed up on those.

I guess quitting your job in the hottest tech market of all time is a little different than moving to a different country.

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by mr_ndrsn on Thursday March 23, 2023 @01:58PM (#35278734)
I was at the company when it happened. I'm currently at the company. I'm in ops and work on all of the mrsk/de-clouding efforts.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by rednerrus on Thursday March 23, 2023 @05:26PM (#35281530)
Has the political change lead to a better or worse work environment?
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dangwhy on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:35AM (#35288192)
ha right on! Must've be real awkward for the people who didn't quit in hottest tech job market of all times :D