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Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by tempsy on Thursday March 16, 2023 @12:44PM (#35184522)
What I don't understand about Twitch is how it became a bizarro cesspool of leftist extremism, incel culture, and softcore porn for tweens.

At some point you must ask yourself if you're the CEO or work there how it is you came to be in a position to spend your day working on something that has become as dystopian as Twitch has become.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by misssocrates on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:00PM (#35184772)
Sounds like Reddit. Perhaps one could ask the same question of that and get to the same root cause?
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by pvarangot on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:08PM (#35187693)
Conservatives where saying Netflix was doing this when they released that weird show about girls that were dressed up very suggestively on their platform. We probably went through the same for broadcast TV, cable, video stores, etc, etc...

The root cause I don't want to speculate short of getting banned from HN also for having opinions about when people should start having sex or be allowed to watch videos of adults having sex.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by sleepybrett on Thursday March 16, 2023 @12:58PM (#35184728)
lost me at 'leftist extremism' imma need some examples.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by wnevets on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:01PM (#35184786)
They probably banned him for saying certain words, shall we guess which words?
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by tempsy on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:03PM (#35184815)
Twitch was at the center of the Hogwarts Legacy game controversy because people were mad that certain streamers were playing a game because something something JK Rowling is an "anti trans TERF."

And if you ever looked through videos of TwitchCon you would not question what I'm saying at all. This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by jedberg on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:20PM (#35185077)
> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it.

Oh no, they bowed to people whose livelihoods depend on staying healthy and realized that masks actually do help when everyone wears them.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by yamtaddle on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:43PM (#35185395)
Hell, I kinda wish we'd kept it up everywhere. Not having anyone in my house get so much as the flu for about 2.5 years was kinda awesome. I think we had a single mild cold go through our house, that entire time.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by misssocrates on Thursday March 16, 2023 @02:10PM (#35185869)
How do they help? There is no evidence that they reduce infection of respiratory viruses.

> The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD...

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by notbuyingit on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:58PM (#35188515)
And googling the key line there reveals a full page of Google results with articles explaining how both the initial assumptions and methodology was flawed. It was surprising even to me how easy it was to find rebuttals.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/yes-masks-reduce-risk-spre...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochra...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/16/cochrane-...

At least, unlike the other person in this thread, you didn't do the gaslighty thing of acting like 'we all know' masks don't work.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by Manuel_D on Thursday March 16, 2023 @05:28PM (#35188935)
As per your first link, rate of infection with masks was 90% the rate of infection without masks. I mean, technically it "works" even if reduces the rates of infection by 0.0000001%. But most people are not going to see much benefit in masking if it only reduces the rate marginally.

The intensity of the push for masking was not at all matched by the effectiveness of masking. From most people's perspectives, if the rate of infection with masking is 90% the rate with no masking then masking doesn't work in layperson's terms.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by timr on Thursday March 16, 2023 @05:08PM (#35188660)
Speaking as someone who actually has an advanced degree in science and understands how to read papers and interpret medical evidence (unlike Tufecki, who has literally zero scientific training or understanding of statistics) has read ~every paper on masks ever published, the "rebuttals" there are nonsense.

The Cochrane review was not incorrect; it was not retracted. The "apology from Cochrane" was not about the paper itself, and they didn't say that the conclusions were wrong. The NY Times and the Washington Post and Gavi are just wrong, and they're lying. Full stop. By literally the same standards of evidence they are using ("the lower bound of the confidence interval crosses 1.0, so we can't exclude the possibility of benefit"), Ivermectin and HCQ "work" against Covid. So you either accept both claims, or you reject both.

We have two political teams, each advancing separate-but-equal forms of pseudo-sciencey twaddle, and neither side is willing to admit that the actual data doesn't back their opinions:

https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-mask-fiasco

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by notbuyingit on Thursday March 16, 2023 @05:28PM (#35188927)
Gonna go with "wearing a mask to stop particulate spread" is not separate but equal from taking horse dewormer. (And it's not an exaggeration to characterize it as such when they're literally buying drugs from farm suplly stores and injecting amounts meant for livestock over the course of a few days.)

Similarly, I don't know anyone who has died from wearing a mask.

This is not even to mention the numerous other studies, experiments, and demsonstartsions of all sorts of respiratory protective gear that show effectiveness against particulates smaller even than COVID-19.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by timr on Thursday March 16, 2023 @07:27PM (#35190416)
Oh, stop. Ivermectin is a human drug. The fact that you're repeating this line shows that you're not commenting in good faith.

Quite literally, the evidence for both is equally good (or bad). Citing mechanistic or laboratory studies is absurd, when we have actual RCTs.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by notbuyingit on Friday March 17, 2023 @05:27PM (#35203144)
Yeah, okay. Lmk when there's telegram groups of people injecting 10x the human dose of masks and literally dying.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by bacchusracine on Thursday March 16, 2023 @02:18PM (#35186011)
>masks actually do help when everyone wears them.

Could I get a citation for this please? Just about every source I've seen has since admitted that masks did absolutely nothing for the purposes for which they were advised to be used.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by hellomyguys on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:06PM (#35187668)
When you dig into those studies, they aren't that great either fwiw.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by misssocrates on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:05PM (#35184856)
If you ask what JK said that was so bad, you won't get a direct quote. It's very telling.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by wnevets on Thursday March 16, 2023 @02:00PM (#35185708)
> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it.

Not spreading a deadly virus at convention filled with strangers from all over the world is now considered "leftist extremism". The last 8 or so years really have done a number on people.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by vinicky on Thursday March 16, 2023 @03:25PM (#35187009)
The funniest part of that was how it entirely backfired, their trantrums just got more people interested in the game and pissed off at these activists.

We're also seeing more people rallying behind JK Rowling these days too, perhaps after seeing through the lies and realising that, actually, she bravely put herself out there to stand up for women's rights, knowing this would make her a lightning rod for the abusers and harassers of the pro-gender movement.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by PurpleRamen on Thursday March 16, 2023 @07:45PM (#35190601)
> Twitch was at the center of the Hogwarts Legacy game controversy because people were mad that certain streamers were playing a game because something something JK Rowling is an "anti trans TERF."

And most ignored that BS. Twitch has a very loud radical left community, but I think it's also far smaller than they appear. Most people are just somewhere in the middle, with a bit more left leaning for natural reasons. After all, most people on the platform are quite young.

> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it.

Cons were already a deathtrap before the pandemia. The After-Con-Flu was not just a running joke. Taking the chance and making sure that your lifehood stays healthy, seems more pragmatic than leftist to me.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by Ekaros on Friday March 17, 2023 @06:19AM (#35195180)
So why did not these people wanting to avoid flu in con. Do either of simple things. Not go there. Or wear proper protective gear. Like a gasmask?
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by redox99 on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:03PM (#35184819)
Leftist extremism: depends on your definition, but see AI generated Seinfeld banned because of a joke[1]

Incel culture: I don't agree with this one, I don't think it's something widespread

Softcore porn: The whole hot tub/asmr categories. Amouranth herself says she uses twitch as a billboard to get people to her onlyfans[2]

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/06/nothing-fore...

[2] https://twitter.com/jappleby/status/1597327662644858880

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by rtpg on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:41PM (#35191122)
"Banned because of a joke"

> “I’m thinking about doing a bit about how being transgender is actually a mental illness,” Larry said on the clip. > > “Or how all liberals are secretly gay and want to impose their will on everyone. Or something about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society.”

Where's the joke?

Also a temporary ban. "Leftist Extremism", or just "capitalism where advertisers have content expectations". If "just shouting insults into the void" is jokes, I fear a bit for the future.

"It's an AI!" is not really much of an excuse! You're the one generating garbage and throwing it onto Twitch, it's your responsibility to figure out what's going on.

There are definitely more nefarious things out there on the platform in general, just funny how every rant about "leftist" bans fails the most basic scrutiny.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by corbulo on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:49PM (#35185500)
Hasan isn't an extremist?
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by notbuyingit on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:38PM (#35188179)
Sure, let's explore that. What are Hasan's extremist views? And keep in mind that I'm gonna cite Aden, Sneako, Trainwrecks, Mizkif and more in response.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by corbulo on Thursday March 16, 2023 @06:38PM (#35189879)
I don't care who you cite. I'm not playing some dumb 'my team' game lol

He used to work for The Young Turks, hosts streams with AOC and Ilhan Omar, is quoted as saying, "On Crenshaw, Piker said, "What the fuck is wrong with this dude? Didn’t he go to war and like literally lose his eye because some mujahideen, a brave fucking soldier fucked his eye hole with their dick?"

And

"In the same stream, Piker criticized American foreign policy and made controversial comments relating to the September 11 attacks, including "America deserved 9/11, dude.""

This is literally just skimming his wiki. Do you know anything about the guy? He's a gigantic PoS

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by wildrhythms on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:14AM (#35195502)
Hasan was right about all of that.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by jkeat on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:39PM (#35188191)
yeah extremely reasonable
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by corbulo on Thursday March 16, 2023 @10:07PM (#35191968)
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by jkeat on Saturday March 18, 2023 @01:25PM (#35211122)
“We fucking fund the people who did 9/11—still, to this day. Donald Trump literally went on national television and said, ‘They bought $10 billion worth of weapons,’ so if they chop-chop-chop an American legal permanent resident, it’s OK.”
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by aliasxneo on Thursday March 16, 2023 @12:47PM (#35184559)
I don't watch Twitch...but what??
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by tempsy on Thursday March 16, 2023 @12:53PM (#35184644)
Which part are you confused by?
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by colpabar on Thursday March 16, 2023 @12:55PM (#35184680)
I can't speak for the first two, but as for the softcore porn bit - there are a lot of very popular streamers who are just hot women that wear bathing suits or less and either do something mundane while looking hot or "exercise" or something that is also mostly just them looking hot. Maybe softcore porn is a bit much since there is no nudity, but it's close.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by nagyf on Thursday March 16, 2023 @12:57PM (#35184723)
To add to this: Some other hot women are using 3D* microphones and they do nothing but moan into the mic (like if they were having sex or similar), and making "licking noises" and other similar stuff.

* Edit: no idea what are these called, but sometimes they moan and lick the left side, sometimes the right so you can hear it in your corresponding ear.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by jaywalk on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:10PM (#35184933)
Stereo microphone is the term you're looking for.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by cinntaile on Thursday March 16, 2023 @03:38PM (#35187201)
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Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by prox on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:04PM (#35184844)
It’s not even close to softcore porn. I can go to any beach and see the same thing, or a nudie sauna, and that is hardly sexual.

Hot is probably the right word. Well done if they make money from that I guess.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by tempsy on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:18PM (#35185043)
softcore porn is "softcore" because it doesn't involve nudity or explicit intercourse

the fact wearing a bikini at the beach is not sexual does not mean streaming yourself wearing a bikini in a hot tub while making moaning noises is not softcore porn. the intention is what matters eg attract teenage simp boys.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by philwelch on Thursday March 16, 2023 @02:17PM (#35185995)
Traditionally I think the line with softcore was that it didn’t directly show penetration or fluids.
Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by colpabar on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:22PM (#35185114)
It seems like you're talking about something you've never seen. If you saw what I'm referring to outside of twitch, you'd immediately assume it was an onlyfans video or something. You can absolutely not see the same thing at a beach or a sauna, and if you did, the person would get kicked out.

I'm not commenting on whether it's good or bad, I'm just stating something that anyone who has ever been on twitch is well aware of and would never argue. It's a thing.

Re:Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning by yamtaddle on Thursday March 16, 2023 @01:52PM (#35185553)
It's the difference between being at a beach with people in bathing suits and just doing normal beach stuff... and one of those people moving their beach towel and umbrella so that they're directly in front of you, while making hard eye contact, then proceeding to stretch suggestively, wink at you occasionally, moan from time to time, and "accidentally" drop things in front of you with bizarre frequency so they just "have to" keep bending over in such a way that you get a great view.

One's not sexual. The other one super-duper obviously is, to everyone involved, even if the bathing suit stays on.