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Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by KaiserPro on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @05:41AM (#35053832)
> Mark wants to go all in AI instead of Metaverse

I see no evidence of that. The recent announcements are at best a re-org, or worse a cleanup of three+ reorgs where FAIR and others were subsumed into RL-R.

It is clear that The Meta leadership doesn't really understand what they are doing. The first cut I suggest was designed to send a message to investors that meta is "serious" about something. I assume that this second cut is because not enough people left of their own accord.

However none of this is actually a change in strategy. Where are the product changes? where is the announcement of key priorities for the different Apps? are they going to start putting users first? or just add more shit into each app until something sticks?

The key problem Meta has is that they only have one effective leader: zuck. Everyone else appears to be underwhelming.

Boz: arrogance personified. None of the misteps in the last 4 years are ever his fault. It was market forces that meant that raybans failed, rather than releasing them before they were finished. the quest pro didn't sell, not boz's fault. The market wasnt ready for a capable device with absolutely no software support for the new features. Want to join your friend in a VR game? sure! just perform 15 clicks and wait 7 minutes. No not those clicks, no you need to press the hidden sub menu silly! Oh, no, remember you need to have an OS update first. 10 minute update tax!

Mosseri: Pivoting Instagram to video, because tiktok. just push push push. Oh wait our cash cow users are pissed off, ok, roll back. "there was no way to forsee this problem" despite everyone telling them it was a horrid user experience.

Blue app: Lets just push random shit into your stream, don't worry we'll roll out the user controls next half. Don't like the content? tough my metric is to get more shit in your feed, if you don't like it, its not my job to fix it, thats someone elses.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by elforce002 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @05:59AM (#35053955)
On Instagram: they'll discontinue ig live shopping, which is at least some good news.

Fb: I've been out of it and the reality is millennials and gen z won't be joining it. They know that.

Their only bet is to lobby congress to ban tiktok.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by ChatGTP on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:14AM (#35054061)
Instagram has gotten to the point where I just have absolutely no interest to continue using it.

Mostly it feeds me soft porn, and my friends have kind of posted the same things over and over, which has become kind of boring. Food pics, workout pics, whatever.

It's gotten to the point where I'm just actually bored with the platform in general, not necessarily the content.

Facebook, I just have zero interest in going anywhere near it, it's so, so, so boring.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by JCharante on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:54AM (#35055996)
I follow aviation related accounts so I see pictures of planes on my feed. I did have to stop following hashtags because people tend to spam bikini pics there
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by elforce002 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:00PM (#35072393)
I don't even bother with it anymore.

At least TikTok is giving me things I search for.

I have +5 years without fb so that's that.

Twitter serves its purpose for (news, articles, etc...).

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by anthomtb on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:23AM (#35056319)
Instagram will feed you more of whatever you are following or tapping.

I have noticed that if I don't use Instagram for a few days I end up with generic, lowest-common-denominator videos. Scantily clad females, bar fights, car accidents, etc.

But if I start seeking out and watching the stuff I actually like, the feed updates itself within a day or two and I get content that I actually want to watch.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by ChatGTP on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @11:08AM (#35056960)
I just can't be bothered seeking out "stuff I like" on Instagram anymore, mostly I've seen it before etc, just feeling like I have better things to do lately.

If I actually want to "watch" something, I open Youtube, seems to me like the content on there is 10x better.

Each to their own.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by hdjjhhvvhga on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:05PM (#35057828)
I feel exactly the same. Maybe it's just a stage in one's life?
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by ChatGTP on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:53PM (#35058566)
I think I’m just bored with the platform, same format, crappy engagement from other uses etc.

It was fun for a while but yeah, not really sure it’s worth my time, or that it ever really was.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by i67vw3 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:43AM (#35054248)
>Their only bet is to lobby congress to ban tiktok.

Good point, the only way for 'Meta' shares to go up and for investors to have some confidence in 'Meta' is by Tiktok being banned in US (and other western countries like EU, Canada etc).

Automatically, the advertising money which was to go to Tiktok will go to Instagram (via Reels).

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by N19PEDL2 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:24AM (#35055025)
It should also be said, however, that banning TikTok would set a dangerous precedent for Meta's business outside the US.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by mupuff1234 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:31AM (#35055101)
Isn't Instagram already blocked in China?
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by red-iron-pine on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:17AM (#35055577)
on top of plenty of other apps blocked, banned, or forced to restrict results or behavior?
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by N19PEDL2 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:24AM (#35056328)
I was thinking more about the EU actually. After banning TikTok, it won't be long before someone says, "hey, Instagram steals people's personal data too."
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by blsapologist42 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @04:23PM (#35061446)
Meta has to follow all the EU regulations around data privacy. Does TikTok?
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by marcosdumay on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:49AM (#35056685)
I can't make my mind if the GP intended to be sarcastic, but if you read it in a serious tone, you are making a disservice for yourself.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by Overtonwindow on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:59AM (#35056050)
Banning TikTok is such a pointless exercise. So what, it just means that another service will pop up and take its place under a different name. The government can ban it all it wants, but it's not going away. Too simple of an app.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by hello_moto on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:45AM (#35056611)
How many times in our lifetime seeing comments like this?

"Too simple of an app"

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by mint2 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:58AM (#35056812)
Okay but that’s what the government hopes will happen… They don’t object to TikTok the concept. They object to the PRC having influence or control either real or potential.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by uncletammy on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @01:03PM (#35058727)
It doesnt need to stop TikTok. It just needs to slow it down long enough for one of the US competitors to eat up their marketshare.

The end goal isnt protecting US citizens. It's weaponizing information to use against perceived threats, both foreign and domestic.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by incahoots on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:22PM (#35059900)
>It just needs to slow it down long enough for one of the US competitors to eat up their marketshare.

If I were Snapchat I would be making moves to jump at this opportunity. I feel they're positioned the best to take that market share out of all of the current competitors, for the simple fact they've kept their core UI & model virtually unchanged.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by yodsanklai on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:51AM (#35055957)
Considering Meta is banned in China, I don't understand why there's even a question about this.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by rurp on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @11:18AM (#35057118)
Because copying China isn't a great way to devise policy. China bans many things that are good and should remain protected in the US.

I don't use Tiktok or have a strong opinion on it specifically, but I really disagree with the notion that we should reflexively ban things because China banned something similar first.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by yodsanklai on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:08PM (#35057880)
China isn't playing by the rules here so there should be some form of sanction. If it's not banning Tiktok, then it should be something else.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by RestlessMind on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:00PM (#35059590)
> Because copying China isn't a great way to devise policy

Sure but never copying China because "China bad" is also a bad policy. Sometimes, bullies only understand "tit for tat" language.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by badpun on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:44AM (#35055871)
> Boz: arrogance personified. None of the misteps in the last 4 years are ever his fault. It was market forces that meant that raybans failed, rather than releasing them before they were finished. the quest pro didn't sell, not boz's fault. The market wasnt ready for a capable device with absolutely no software support for the new features. Want to join your friend in a VR game? sure! just perform 15 clicks and wait 7 minutes. No not those clicks, no you need to press the hidden sub menu silly! Oh, no, remember you need to have an OS update first. 10 minute update tax!

I wonder if companies like Meta will finally start caring deeply about performance of their products, and will switch to software paradigms which preserve performance (see for example latest Casey Muratori talk on slowness of Clean Code, and also his "40 million lines of code" talk). I mean, the forced updates of software, and how long they take, is a major complain of users of many modern entertainment devices (the VR googles, game consoles etc.). They long updates are of course caused by "the stack" being a pile of uber-overcomplicated shit, which was quick and convenient to develop, but now is harming the product.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by sumtechguy on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:07AM (#35056128)
Abstraction costs performance in many cases. But you sometimes want/need that abstraction. But on the other side of that is drop a comment in there how to abstract it if needed but do not abstract it until you need it.

And 'updating' that is my favorite playstation game! It seems to be what I do every time I turn it on every few months.

Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by cvhashim04 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:43AM (#35056580)
I thought this was Hackernews and people fixed tech inconveniences with random scripts! I’m sure someone on here could hack together something to check for updates and run the update or automate that process with a click from your phone.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by Jordrok on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @11:30AM (#35057282)
I agree, but sadly it's getting harder and harder to do that sort of thing. It seems that almost inevitably, along with those fancy framework abstractions come tighter restrictions on how much the user is allowed to do things which are not explicitly supported by the UI. All in the name of "security", of course.
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by sumtechguy on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:12AM (#35082836)
With the PS if I leave it alone and powered on it will take care of itself. But I turn it off so it does not use as much power. I have enough other items in my house turned on to heat it up :)
Re:Meta Is Said to Plan Thousands More Layoffs as Soon as Th... by KaiserPro on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:28PM (#35059967)
> uber-overcomplicated shit, which was quick and convenient to develop, but now is harming the product.

Its not even as contrived as that. In meta, you don't get points for incremental improvements that make life easier for users. You get points for making a new widget that improves a single metric. That metric will most likely be something sub-team related, with little to no impact on the over all team or even product.