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Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by siftrics on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:44AM (#34911196)
If you cook eggs correctly, they stick less to a cast iron pan than to a teflon pan, and they hold together better.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by dahfizz on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:52AM (#34911306)
Anytime your solution to a problem is "Just exert more effort and skill and do it correctly", there is a 100% chance the general public will not adopt your solution.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by klodolph on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:23AM (#34911708)
The worst is when I see this advice used for backup policies.

Like, the backup is there to save your ass when you don’t do things correctly. If the backup needs you to exert more effort and do things correctly, then it’s most likely to be broken when you need it the most.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by xeromal on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:56AM (#34911363)
This should be codified as a law of the internet.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by HPsquared on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:07AM (#34911508)
Dahfizz's Law
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by halfnormalform on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:45PM (#34914642)
I've heard something similar phrased as "Discipline doesn't scale."
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by siftrics on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:00AM (#34912223)
I agree, but I think it's less effort to cook eggs in a cast iron.

Just add a dash of oil and cook on medium low-heat with a lid.

I never spend more than five seconds cleaning because the eggs never stick.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by testTED on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:39AM (#34912782)
This explains the state of the general public very well.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by yamtaddle on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:18AM (#34911653)
I'm still struggling with conveying, "you have to get the stainless pan hot and lay down some fat before you add the food, or it will stick". Add the tendency of cast iron to unpleasantly flavor acidic foods (which is lots of foods) and it's hopeless, as far as convincing goes. At least stainless doesn't do that. I might win her over for stainless, mostly, but cast iron's going to remain only for me.

No denying that it's a lot easier to make eggs or pancakes or whatever on teflon, while distracted by also trying to get the kids dressed and such, without ruining the food or making a mess, than it is on other materials. Even if you know what to do with other pans, you still have to do it, and that takes more attention and care than teflon.

If it comes out that teflon pans are, in fact, a major source of ingested or inhaled PFAS, I'll probably kick up my efforts to convert her. In the meantime I suspect a lot more of it comes from other household materials (clothes, carpet, furniture—plus stuff in cars) that've been treated for fire and stain resistance, so I'm not super worried about the pans.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by hgomersall on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:09AM (#34912333)
You need stainless for acidic foods. We have both types of frying pans. The problem with Teflon as I understand it is that it breaks down to PFAS at temperatures that are easy to reach in a frying pan. It might be that Teflon other things are better (like a stand-alone grill thing), but I just try to avoid it.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by buu700 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:43PM (#34914618)
I'm still struggling with conveying, "you have to get the stainless pan hot and lay down some fat before you add the food, or it will stick".

Would she be willing to use a timer? She can just set it for 10 - 15 minutes after turning the burner on, and avoid putting anything in the pan until after the timer is done.

I've certainly ruined my fair share of eggs by rushing, but having the patience to let it get up to temperature is pretty much the only "hard" part of using cast iron.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by yamtaddle on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:53PM (#34914745)
Maybe, I dunno, but it only took a couple fucked-up dishes before she was like "why the hell am I doing this when there's a teflon pan right there?"
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by kingnothing on Monday March 06, 2023 @05:21PM (#35048589)
10 minutes? You don't need the pan to be 900 degrees! It's more like 1-2 minutes.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by buu700 on Monday March 06, 2023 @06:36PM (#35049447)
lol, well I was erring on the side of caution because she's clearly doing something wrong here. That being said, in my experience, 5 - 10 minutes is about right unless I go out of my way to preheat at a higher temperature.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by greenie_beans on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:16AM (#34911625)
what is the correct way to cook eggs?
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by siftrics on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:58AM (#34912198)
I see what you're saying.

For me: dash of oil, medium-low heat, and a lid.

You don't even have to clean the cast iron because the eggs don't stick.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by webnrrd2k on Thursday February 23, 2023 @06:14PM (#34918165)
If I'm cooking bacon, then I baste them in the hot bacon fat. But mostly I like to put enough olive oil in the pan so that I can easily baste the eggs with a soup spoon. Salt, lots of pepper, and baste 'em -- the tops solidify just enough not to run.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by lumb63 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:51AM (#34911291)
How’s that? Got any additional info?
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by yamtaddle on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:56AM (#34911356)
Seriously, the single time I've made eggs work without having a layer of stuck egg at the end, in cast iron, was on this immaculately-maintained ancient cast iron pan in an AiBnB on a Mennonite farm, and even that only worked because I cooked them in a bunch of sausage grease, probably amounting to 10x the fat I use in teflon (butter, in that case).

But, I usually make scrambled, and you need tight, lowish temp control for those, which is one thing teflon really excels at (cast iron and stainless need higher temps to prevent sticking)

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by lukevp on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:25AM (#34911745)
Try carbon steel, it’s much less sticky
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by insanitybit on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:13AM (#34912388)
I think I'm legitimately an egg cooking expert at this point. I've cooked eggs in 1000 different ways on different pans. There's no comparison - a non-stick pan is going to trivially handle eggs, regardless of how your pan is oiled, the heat, etc, whereas a cast iron is only going to do a decent job if you're cooking eggs in a few specific ways and you take care to control temperature and oil.
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by earthling8118 on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:06PM (#34914136)
It's also pretty trivial to get right. I'd use carbon steel just because it can heat faster. I can have my pan ready to go in 2 minutes of heating. Use a bit of oil (sometimes I mix in a tiny bit of butter to help nonstick, but it isn't required) and it's good to go. The difficulty is extremely exaggerated. I've not had a need for nonstick
Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by acdha on Thursday February 23, 2023 @01:13PM (#34914249)
If the non-stick pan is brand new, yes. The problem is that you need to replace them every couple of years as the coating become degraded or they perform worse - even if you religiously use only soft utensils, simple use and cleaning will break it down.

Unless you’re trying to avoid using oil for some reason, there is no time savings.

Re:PFAS Can Suppress White Blood Cells’ Ability to Destroy I... by insanitybit on Thursday February 23, 2023 @09:29PM (#34919991)
> simple use and cleaning will break it down.

This isn't my experience. Low heat (which is how you should be using them) and soft utensils (I prefer to use those anyway) should be enough to keep it going - I have no scratches or wear on mine that I've noticed, though I did just replace them. They're quite cheap so replacing isn't really onerous either.

> Unless you’re trying to avoid using oil for some reason

I don't want my eggs to be particularly oily, or if I'm explicitly making a buttery french scrambled eggs I want to use butter and I want to add it in later, not use it for lubrication/ stick. You'll need much more for the cast iron.