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Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by SamBam on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:26PM (#34840780)
The article was skimpy on the details. Can someone explain how this part works?

> The new gene therapy [...] works by inserting into the body working copies of the genes that are faulty in MLD, thus restoring the ability to break down sulfatides.

How does the new copy of the gene get into every existing cell that needs it? A virus?

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by amelius on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:35PM (#34840876)
Also, when cells replicate, will the new ones automatically be of the edited type? Or is it not that simple?
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by ethanwillis on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:41PM (#34840957)
In general it depends. If you modified existing blood cells genotype then it wont persist indefinitely. You'd need to modify the bone marrow. But then some cell lines work like you posed in your question.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by MaryBall on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:50PM (#34841067)
Because this therapy edits the stem cells that are found in the bone marrow, it essentially means that the disease is being fixed at the source. Bone marrow stem cells eventually turn into blood cells and immune cells. So if 100% of the cells have been edited, then the resulting cells they turn into will be the edited type.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by janeway on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:24PM (#34841446)
That is the goal but not that simple.

In most cases, the original disease-causing stem cells are effectively eliminated by the conditioning regimen (high-dose chemotherapy and/or radiation) used before the (autologous) transplantation, so they do not regenerate and cause further harm to the patient. However, in some cases, residual disease cells may survive the conditioning regimen and persist after transplantation, leading to disease relapse. This is more likely to occur in patients with aggressive or refractory disease or in those who receive a mismatched or haploidentical donor graft. To prevent disease relapse, post-transplantation maintenance therapy, such as immunosuppressive drugs or targeted therapies, may be used to eliminate residual disease cells. Additionally, close monitoring of the patient's blood counts and immune system function can help identify and manage any signs of disease relapse.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by herlitzj on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:44PM (#34840998)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

This paper seems to have more details on the actual procedure

Patients were treated and monitored according to the schedule described in the appendix (p 17) and as previously reported.16, 17 HSPCs harvested from bone marrow or mobilised peripheral blood (MPB) were transduced with clinical-grade lentiviral vector encoding human ARSA cDNA under the control of the human phosphoglycerate kinase gene promoter.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by MaryBall on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:44PM (#34841002)
Yes, you’re right! A lentiviral vector is used to insert the working gene into the patient’s stem cells. Obviously this is a non-pathogenic version of the virus, so it’s ability to make you ill has been essentially “switched off”. However the ability for the virus to insert genetic information into the DNA of cells remains.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by bglazer on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:50PM (#34841058)
Yes, it's a virus, specifically a lentivirus, which inserts its own genome into the cells DNA, including the therapeutic gene. Looks like they first extract bone marrow from a patient, apply the virus which adds the gene, then they put the "fixed" bone marrow cells back into the patient (probably after killing most existing bone marrow through some really unpleasant procedures). The re-inserted, treated cells then expand and begin making new cells that have inherited the fixed gene.

In general, gene therapy is probably most useful currently for diseases that affect the bone marrow (and the eyes), because these are two tissues where you can precisely deliver the virus. It's still challenging to control where the virus goes and which cells it infects if you just inject it straight into the bloodstream.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by meese712 on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:24PM (#34841445)
I'm confused how this would reduce disease progression compared to a much cheaper allo bone marrow transplant then if they are only modifying hematopoietic stem cells since a BMT is just doing the exact same thing except with someone else's non affected cells. BMTs are a horrific procedure though so this definitely has an advantage in that regard.

I would also have to imagine they would have to do myeloablative chemo or radiation to make sure the fixed cells propagate more than the diseased cell line.

Edit: read the study, they do give them the same chemo used for normal transplants.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by theGnuMe on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:29PM (#34841500)
Well it removes graft vs host complications which is a win and the requirement to take immunosuppressants for life.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by meese712 on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:40PM (#34841608)
Definitely true GVHD sucks. The article gave me the impression that they were saying it was somehow superior at stopping the disease because it said this "stem cell transplants, have sometimes been used to slow the disorder's progression in infants,"

(fyi a decent amount of stem cell transplant survivors do not have to take immunosuppressants for life)

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by piyh on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:48PM (#34841691)
Most recipients don't need to take immunosuppressants at all if they get PBSC or bone marrow transplants. Even if they do, it's short term. Additionally, the allo grafts need to be matched, which if you're non white is not a good success rate. 85%ish of whites get matched, that number gets depressingly low for minorites. On the US registry, only 1 in 400 donors get called. I happen to be one of those donors and a system where I'm not needed is a better one. The best part is no part.

https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/104/12/3501/89040/...

>Previous studies have shown that 30% to 70% of all patients surviving beyond 100 days after HCT require treatment for chronic GHVD,2,4-6 often for more than 2 years.

Re: a better system is where you don't need donors:

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/l-i-woman-dies-after-ma...

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by meese712 on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:55PM (#34841749)
I was getting at the article giving the impression this somehow cured the disease vs a BMT just slowing progression. I know the whole transplant thing sucks. I've had two transplants, thank you for being on the list :).
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by tialaramex on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:00PM (#34842739)
The article indicates they don't know. "it is not yet clear whether it will persist life-long, and extended follow-up is needed" - So they can be optimistic without knowing for sure because they don't have a bunch of kids they treated say ten years ago to check on. It seems like this might stick, they hope it will, they can't know yet.

One of my friends gave his wife a kidney which allowed her to get off dialysis, so yeah, thanks to anybody who is willing to do this for someone they don't even know.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by jimbob45 on Friday February 17, 2023 @07:31PM (#34842563)
What’s the story with minorities? Just a smaller pool of donors or something?
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by jonfromsf on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:27PM (#34842894)
Yes, a smaller pool of donors. Worst still for finding matches is multi-racial people.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by concordDance on Friday February 17, 2023 @07:42PM (#34842645)
> 85%ish of whites get matched, that number gets depressingly low for minorites.

Hmm...

How does this translate to other places? E.g. can you only match Han in China?

Do Italians and Scots match? Turks and Egyptians?

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by mlyle on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:37PM (#34842958)
A big part of the problem is that minorities are not reached/enrolled onto the registry at a high rate.

What matters isn't really the proportion of the subpopulations that are registered, but the absolute numbers.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by inciampati on Saturday February 18, 2023 @10:50AM (#34847750)
Matching involves the now simple (if costly) task of comparing diplotypes at immune system loci involved in self recognition, like the MHC.

What's horrific to me is that matching by race is still a thing! These genes are under diversifying selection. That means that they often do not match the surrounding genetic background. That means that racially driven matching is bonkers.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by Gatsky on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:13PM (#34841883)
Reading the paper [1], the genetically modified stem cells overexpress the ARSA enzyme. This seems to create a ‘bystander effect’ which increases the total body enzymatic activity above some critical threshold sufficient to arrest the disease process. Myeloid cells associated with neuronal structures are probably critical to this benefit. A standard bone marrow transplant doesn’t reach this threshold, and has demonstrated poor efficacy in early onset disease.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by fnord77 on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:38PM (#34841578)
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Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by azernik on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:33PM (#34842051)
That or chemo
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by rmk on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:50PM (#34842202)
So is the idea here that the 'fixed' cells populate the body and form the basis of all future generations of cells that are produced in the bone marrow?
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by bglazer on Friday February 17, 2023 @09:52PM (#34843382)
Yep!
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by stavros on Saturday February 18, 2023 @07:49AM (#34846519)
My 3-year-old niece got her eyes treated for some degenerative disease in the same way. It's amazing what science can do now, a few months earlier and she would have gone blind before her next birthday.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by jeffreyrogers on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:50AM (#34848356)
It would probably also be useful for HIV since white blood cells are produced in the bone marrow.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by Traubenfuchs on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:51PM (#34841078)
In this specific case CRISPR-CAS9 was used to edit "hematopoietic stem and progenitor cells". This means all modified stem cells (sadly not 100% of them) will from now on produce cells with the gene bugfix applied.

This does not imply that germ line cells were changed and COULD mean the person could still have a high risk of making children with the original gene defect.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34882002/