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Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by squeegee_scream on Thursday February 16, 2023 @06:59PM (#34828605)
This is https://www.terra.money/ which I don’t think has any affiliation with Hashicorp’s terraform
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by calciphus on Thursday February 16, 2023 @07:46PM (#34829090)
Thank you, I was deeply confused for a moment.

I almost had to click through to the article!

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by hanklazard on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:06PM (#34829297)
definitely no affiliation.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by danielodievich on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:42PM (#34829561)
I was just in the middle of learning our own terraform provider with great enjoyment aka "under the loving strokes of a Dwarf's axe". Looking at my monitor, blurred with tears, I asked for help and a very good colleague saved me. Work done, beers owed, I checked HN, saw this and texted him this link with "speaking of terraform". Chuckles all around!
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by DantesKite on Thursday February 16, 2023 @07:45PM (#34829075)
Fun fact: South Korean government officials believe Do Kwon is currently hiding in Serbia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63940181#:~:text=South%20K....

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by A_D_E_P_T on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:17PM (#34829380)
I've spent a lot of time in Serbia. Put it like this: If they put a bounty on his capture, Do Kwon isn't going to last five minutes. (I can tell you right now that he's 80% likely to be holed up in a condo in one of the new Belgrade Waterfront developments. He'd stick out like a sore thumb anywhere else.)

An interesting fact about Serbia is that all visiting foreigners are required to register at their neighborhood police station & provide the cops with an address, passport details, and contact details. Usually the hotels will do this for you automatically. Basically, though, what this means for Do Kwon is that he already has a searchable file.

Hey... Wait... do these new SEC charges mean that there is now a bounty? Maybe I ought to make some calls.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by Topgamer7 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:41PM (#34829549)
Well with the amount of money he absconded, he can probably afford a passport of someone that looks relatively like him.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by CyberDildonics on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:53PM (#34830107)
Absconded means to leave in a secret hurry, not to take something. If you put 'money he absconded with' that would make sense.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by janmo on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:41PM (#34829547)
The bounty has to be higher than the bribe Do Kwon can pay
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by credit_guy on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:43PM (#34829566)
He can't bribe thousands of people, can he?
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by fosk on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:52PM (#34829634)
It’s Serbia. They will take the bribe, and then still capture him to take the bounty. Double prize.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by m3kw9 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:25PM (#34830759)
The bribe would involve him getting the f out of course
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by klyrs on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:52PM (#34830932)
The bribe would get him into a truck. Will the truck go to safety, or to higher profits? Have you never watched a movie?
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by m3kw9 on Friday February 17, 2023 @10:16AM (#34835580)
I assume he isn’t that stupid but when things close in fast he probably have no choice or time to arrange a fool proof exchange
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:54PM (#34829643)
> he already has a searchable file

Wouldn’t one use an alias?

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by EGreg on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:05PM (#34829761)
Not at all. He is making ZERO EFFORT TO HIDE!
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by nradov on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:01PM (#34829718)
The foreigner address registration thing isn't actually enforced. No one bothers to do it anymore, at least not if they're staying at a private residence.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by neom on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:37PM (#34830003)
https://www.srbija-nekretnine.org/en/apartments/for-sale/bel...

Some nice places down there! Didn't realize Belgrade was so chic.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by Scoundreller on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:41PM (#34830444)
I guess it's technically correct that riverfront is waterfront...
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by gameshot911 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:56PM (#34830557)
Those prices are shockingly expensive to me for such small, outdated apartments in a less-desirable country like Serbia!
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by hammock on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:13PM (#34830673)
Belgrade is (was?) a world-class city. At least top 100
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by nradov on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:29PM (#34830790)
Real estate prices are way up in Belgrade recently due to refugees coming from Ukraine and Russia. Probably some money laundering as well. The listings linked above are for the new Belgrade Waterfront development, which is a fairly desirable location.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by nailer on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:43AM (#34831980)
Would a refugee from Ukraine go to Serbia? My impression is that both ultra nationalism and support for Putin’s invasion are common in Serbia.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by jacquesm on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:00AM (#34832076)
Depending on which side of the divide they were from, yes, sure. Also lots of ethnic Russians that found their environment suddenly a lot less friendly from the Baltics.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by nailer on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:44AM (#34833114)
Most ethnic Russians I know from Ukraine don’t support the invasion.

One had weird men show up to her neighbourhood in Donetsk for years, that didn’t speak Russian like anyone else from Donetsk, and start violence with locals and then the police. This is the “violence against ethnic Russians” Putin made up.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by jacquesm on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:52AM (#34833164)
It has to be so frustrating for the many ethnic Russians in Ukraine to see their lives upended like this and to be negatively associated with something that they had absolutely no say in. I recall a bit of video footage from early on in the war where a native Russian from the South East of Ukraine told a bunch of Russian soldiers to go home and leave the people there in peace. They were getting along quite well until Russia stirred the pot. Some of them now even refuse to speak Russian.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by csomar on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:21PM (#34830310)
> all visiting foreigners are required to register at their neighborhood police station & provide the cops with an address, passport details, and contact details

Yeah, because a criminal mastermind is going to be bothered with a detail like that. Most tourist don't do this bureaucratic step.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by vkou on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:27PM (#34830356)
We're talking about a white collar conman, not Scarface, here.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by jojobas on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:43PM (#34830460)
Also a Korean in a rather ethnically homogeneous European country.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by nradov on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:27PM (#34830780)
China has been cultivating closer ties with Serbia in order to establish a presence in Europe. Chinese people no longer attract any attention in Belgrade.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by jojobas on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:07AM (#34831028)
Still if he's tracked down to a neighbourhood or a village, anyone will be able to say where the Asian guy lives.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by JumpCrisscross on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:30AM (#34831876)
> Chinese people no longer attract any attention in Belgrade

Not helpful if you’re the one Korean!

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by A_D_E_P_T on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:26AM (#34832639)
There's a Chinese community in Belgrade, but it's fairly small, very blue-collar, and their residences aren't concentrated in any one neighborhood or location. (There is a "Chinese mall" where they hang out. This is a run-down place, nearly half of which was recently destroyed by fire, where you can buy cheap electronics and Chinese-import foods.) These Chinese immigrants are rarely able to speak or understand English and mostly speak Mandarin and Serbian.

They have nothing in common with Do Kwon, and it's unlikely that he'd be able to hide among them.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by notch898a on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:36AM (#34832706)
I would guess Serbia is the landing point and a good place to unload money before going to even sketchier parts of europe with weaker banking system links.

He could easily slip into Romania, then Moldova where a transnistrian passport can be had from corrupt officials for bottom dollar. It wouldn't be worth much but he'd just be one of a long list of hidden criminals there. American hacker Weev did something similar.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by pyuser583 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:46PM (#34830491)
US bounties are not reliable. The government pays of it feels like it.

Bail bonds bounties are a different thing, but I don’t think federal courts use them

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by jacquesm on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:01AM (#34832088)
They are required to do so, but nobody ever does. I've been there for work several times over the last years and had checked up on that before going and people there told me not to bother and that the police really didn't care and might not even do the registration.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by A_D_E_P_T on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:44AM (#34832751)
If you stay at a hotel, they usually take care of it for you automatically. That is, the hotel will send your relevant details to the nearest police office, in a batch with everybody else who checked in that day. You typically won't be aware of it.

It's not a universal practice, though. But I'd bet that somebody like Do Kwon, like most people, stayed at a hotel for at least a few nights after landing in Belgrade.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by jacquesm on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:47AM (#34832763)
Ah good point, yes, you are probably right. I did not stay in hotels though. But your point is well taken, the same used to be the case in France for hotels and even campings.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by potatototoo99 on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:08AM (#34834189)
It was my understanding that every country requires this, even the US. More recently I've also noticed it on Airbnb rentals.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by IncRnd on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:30PM (#34829944)
Take note, crypto people. The days of instructing people about how the code is the contract, centralized exchanges are DeFi, Web 3.0 fixes all the issues, etc. - those days appear to be numbered.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by bouncycastle on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:08PM (#34830639)
There was nothing DeFi about Terra. They coopted the term. The chain was completely centralized and controlled by them.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by Yizahi on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:33AM (#34834445)
The problem is that most of the DeFi is either actually centralized in some way and are lying to the clients, or they are truly decentralized and therefore any bug in the programming will take it down immediately, see dozens of "hacks" of DeFi bridges just last year alone, each one in tens or hundreds of millions in equivalent.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by foobar1962 on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:44AM (#34832750)
> those days appear to be numbered

There's a block chain for that!

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by IncRnd on Friday February 17, 2023 @07:41AM (#34833951)
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Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by Beaver117 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @07:52PM (#34829144)
The SEC is awfully slow. They should have had enough to arrest him a long time ago and now he's probably living on billions in Russia or something
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:35PM (#34829505)
> they should have had enough to arrest him a long time ago

The SEC is a civil agency. It can't arrest anybody.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by cormacrelf on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:11PM (#34829795)
They apply to a court to get a civil penalty. You can be arrested by a court for flouting a court order like “don’t leave the country pal”, once it has established jurisdiction through the service process. Detaining people to enforce court orders is one of the core powers of the judiciary. Bringing an action and serving him while he was inside the jurisdiction of the court would have been good.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by loeg on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:29PM (#34829924)
Was he ever in the US? I thought he fled from South Korea.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by cormacrelf on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:42PM (#34830036)
Yes and yes. He is fleeing actual prosecution on criminal charges by the South Koreans.

He has even been served a subpoena by the SEC while in the US before. He was forced to sit down and respond to questions. He sued them about it because the SEC is supposedly not meant to serve you in public, but I suspect he was a pretty tricky guy to serve at all. Early enforcement would have been good, and it maybe would have required a bit of force given what we know about his flight risk.

https://news.bitcoin.com/sec-files-action-against-terraform-...

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by JumpCrisscross on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:33AM (#34831905)
> apply to a court to get a civil penalty

“Apply” as in win a trial. That’s not quick. And it requires a track record of Kwon flouting the agency.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by cormacrelf on Friday February 17, 2023 @10:26AM (#34835680)
You apply to have the case heard. The judge says ok, you served him, I will exercise my jurisdiction and hear this, Mr Kwon, show up in court next Tuesday (or else). It should not result in detention in a normal case. But it can.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by Cardinal7167 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:20PM (#34829396)
My guess would be they’re not slow, they probably just waited to release this info publicly until it was prudent or didn’t have the potential to damage their case. Since he’s in hiding now it seems like that’s precisely why they’re going public, to smoke them out.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by sokoloff on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:57AM (#34833601)
“The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.”
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by woodruffw on Thursday February 16, 2023 @07:57PM (#34829200)
Serbia as of December, it seems[1]!

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63940181

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by paulpauper on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:30PM (#34829940)
The joke is that the SEC steps in only after the money is lost. Or their actions cause a stock to tank and everyone loses their money anyway. When the SEC halts trading on a penny stock, when it resumes trading is instantly worthless or close to it, so again people lose money. Basically, the SEC is useless at preventing people from losing money.

Scams will always exist and scammers will always find new ways to scam people, no matter how many warnings there are. Advance fee scammers find are now doing crypto giveaways in which a victim sends 'x' crypto in the promise of '2x 'more. Crypto is the latest iteration of penny stock pump and dump scams.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by hef19898 on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:31AM (#34831885)
The SEC kind of steps in as soon as they have reason to investigate, they even have a rather profitable whistleblower program (profitable for the whistleblower who gets between 10 and 30% of every fine above 1 million). The SEC is a civil agency charged with protecting "investors", not defrauded customers. The latter is, to the best of my knowledge, referred to prosecutors by the SEC (I think the southern district of New York).
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by haasted on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:03AM (#34832848)
They also seem to be going after Terraform Labs, which is an active legal entity in South Korea. Impeding their current work on (I kid you not!) Terra 2.0 may still prevent a future ponzi meltdown.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by unicornmama on Friday February 17, 2023 @07:01AM (#34833632)
The SEC can only bring civil charges. Their enforcement actions are also procyclical: They collect the bodies.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by _HMCB_ on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:01PM (#34829241)
Crypto is a _____.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by yieldcrv on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:13PM (#34829356)
sector where poorly run companies are masqueraded as the sector itself.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by kirubakaran on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:27PM (#34829453)
The 90% give the 10% a bad name
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by yieldcrv on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:02PM (#34829732)
closer to 99%

a lot of people don't realize how the same skew is present in sectors they respect as well. crypto sector's transparency just shows you every single unincorporated idea monetized for an unknown person's benefit, right alongside massive mismanaged corporations.

the same thing is going on forever everywhere.

its more analogous to being able to see every single phishing attack all at once and considering the organization behind it as the same level of importance as Google, suggesting they equally represent the tech sector.

or looking at every active and defunct LLC registered in every single jurisdiction on the planet and using that as a reason to say it is representative of the economy. just very unrelated things.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by this_user on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:55PM (#34829661)
The scams and crime are the sector.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by api on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:04PM (#34829745)
distributed leaderless Ponzi scheme.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by colesantiago on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:12PM (#34829808)
lawless distributed unregulated faux paradisal casino of fictional worthless tokens circulating out of thin air.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by usr1106 on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:15AM (#34831785)
wrong: Not made out of thin air, but made by creating massive pollution.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by vichle on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:33AM (#34831900)
Sooo... Thick air?
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by birracerveza on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:43AM (#34831978)
So... crypto is stocks?
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by colesantiago on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:17AM (#34833336)
No.

stocks have fundamental value that is tied to a public company's performance. There is no fundamental or intrinsic value in crypto.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by anticensor on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:26AM (#34833396)
Unless you accept the difficulty of the math involved and the electricity spent during solving the mining as the backing value.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by colesantiago on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:48AM (#34833536)
Nope.

There is no value to wasting electricity just to solve meaningless mining puzzles all to build a distributed ponzi scheme.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by birracerveza on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:28AM (#34834393)
Wait a second, I got a _crazy_ idea. Bear with me, you might be onto something...

Is it even remotely possible that the same thing might be happening with crypto, and that Bitcoin/Ethereum/etc value is directly tied to the fundamental/intrinsic value of being able to use the relative decentralized network, therefore reflecting their performance? If no one was using Ethereum because it's worthless it would be valued at zero... but it's not at zero despite being worthless because it's being used... so maybe it's not worthless after all, and has fundamental/intrinsic value? Mindblowing, I know...

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by devhead on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:14PM (#34837382)
the company has a value from it's stocks; it's stocks have a value from the company... which means it's just as scammy as was said about crypto.

either way, they both have value; it's just about the market.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by paulpauper on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:01PM (#34829242)
Too bad the SEC cannot bring criminal charges. Not sure why criminal charges have not been filed yet
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by yieldcrv on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:13PM (#34829349)
Are you sure they haven’t? There are commonly parallel cases not reported by the same outlet, you’d have to check the DOJ‘s website
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:36PM (#34829509)
> sure they haven’t?

No, but if they did, it was illegal and unenforceable and didn't go anywhere.

> commonly parallel cases not reported by the same outlet, you’d have to check the DOJ‘s website

The SEC can make criminal referrals to the DoJ.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by ac29 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:42PM (#34830455)
South Korea issued an arrest warrant last year
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by ourmandave on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:04PM (#34829276)
Fix the heading!

InCrypto s/b In Crypto

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by jonas21 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:13PM (#34829814)
Nah. InCrypto is the hottest token since OneCoin.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by noloblo on Thursday February 16, 2023 @08:35PM (#34829506)
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by colesantiago on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:06PM (#34829770)
Good.

But this isn't enough. need the SEC and the DoJ to go after and completely shutdown all crypto exchanges and charge the founders involved or abetting a gigantic quasi-ponzi scheme out of selling these fictitious tokens.

I think the govt needs to issue a wanted list for crypto, listing the founders and VCs who invested trying to make a giant profit out of it.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by blackwateragent on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:37PM (#34830837)
> the SEC and the DoJ to go after and completely shutdown all crypto exchanges and charge the founders involved or abetting a gigantic quasi-ponzi scheme

Could you clarify? Are you implying all crypto is illegal? I don't deal with crypto myself, but I don't recall hearing any issues with companies such as coinbase, etc.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by colesantiago on Sunday February 19, 2023 @03:38PM (#34861616)
Yes they are, and they should be shutdown.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by ReflectedImage on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:19PM (#34829858)
That will teach you to do infrastructure as code!
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by bagels on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:29PM (#34829917)
I'm guessing this is a joke, but "Terraform Labs" is being charged, not "Terraform", a product made by Hashicorp.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by soggylaundry on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:46PM (#34830062)
what about trademark infringement?
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by yencabulator on Thursday February 16, 2023 @10:08PM (#34830206)
Trademarks are scoped by product/service category and geographical region.

> An example of the first type is that although Maytag owns the trademark "Whisper Quiet" for its dishwashers, makers of other products may describe their goods as being "whisper quiet" so long as these products do not fall under the same category of goods the trademark is protected under.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark#Limits_and_defenses_...

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by glenngillen on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:11PM (#34830660)
Either way, I used to work on “Terraform” and had a heart in mouth moment here thinking I was about to get dragged into court for something. Phew!
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by sidcool on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:03AM (#34830998)
Lol. Came here and to crack the same joke.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by nailer on Friday February 17, 2023 @02:46AM (#34831999)
Terraform is more infrastructure as config file. Think CDK, Bicep or Pulumi for actual code.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by wil421 on Friday February 17, 2023 @05:52AM (#34833165)
Are configs not code? I’ve had tons of config files in code bases. Where would you draw the line?
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by mysterydip on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:31AM (#34834416)
For me, config files are variable assignments at runtime that don't require recompiling. If they contain logic/code they become scripts.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by bovermyer on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:43AM (#34834537)
What do you define as "code?" Terraform has conditionals, loops, etc. Modules act a little like function calls, since they have inputs, outputs, etc.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by wil421 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @07:42PM (#34863557)
What about languages that are interpreted?
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by steponlego on Thursday February 16, 2023 @09:20PM (#34829863)
This is just so stupid, EVERYBODY knows crypto is a giant scam. Why would they prosecute people for grifting a pigeon? Absolute waste of resources.
Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by BLKNSLVR on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:06PM (#34830623)
I was expecting this to have a "2022" year designation, but no, this was Feb 16th, 2023 (today).

https://chaindebrief.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/sec.png

For context: Kraken has been around since 2011 and therefore weathered many a cryptocurrency winter and is a beacon of trust in the storm of fraud and rug-pulls and other outright illegal and immoral behaviour seemingly inherent to the cryptocurrency industry.

Re:SEC Charges Terraform and CEO Do Kwon with Defrauding Inv... by drexlspivey on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:06PM (#34842774)
Can courts in random countries charge you even if you are not a citizen or ever set foot there? Like can a random judge in Morocco charge you with a crime and then you visit Egypt and you end up arrested and extradited to Morocco? Not exactly what is going on here but there are other cases where this is happening (Assange for example)