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Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by lrem on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:57AM (#34389854)
Isn’t most of the value here in not allowing sideloading? In iOS your grandma/child cannot be tricked into clicking “allow apps from untrusted sources”, which is how most breaches happen.
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by gkbrk on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:00AM (#34389882)
If the apps sandboxed, how can installing an app cause breaches? As far as I know, iOS apps are sandboxed.

Either the sandbox is very weak and Apple instead relies on App Store audits, or they disallow users installing apps outside the app store to protect their 30% tax that makes them a LOT of money.

Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by lrem on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:12AM (#34389961)
When you’re tricked into installing a nasty app, you’re likely also tricked into giving it whatever permissions it needs for the nastiness.
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by phyphy on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:39AM (#34390688)
Which is not the fault of the OS
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by fragmede on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:46AM (#34390751)
who's fault is it then, if not the OS? that's basically the os's job; to isolate and manage the system's resources and access to them therin
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by qu4z-2 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @05:59PM (#34394592)
At the direction of the device owner, though.
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by fragmede on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:44AM (#34390732)
the malicious app, even signed off the app store could also exploit unpublished vulnerabilities to gain elevated access and not require asking for permission. even or especially if it's not a full sandbox escape.
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by Consultant32452 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @10:05AM (#34389920)
The sandboxes are regularly breached. Basically any time you hear about people "rooting" their phones, that's an intentional sandbox breach.
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by charcircuit on Sunday January 15, 2023 @04:31PM (#34393686)
Not always. Unlocking the bootloader doesn't breach the sandbox since it factory resets the device.
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by rkachowski on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:06AM (#34390383)
Is that true? the process of sideloading and running a 3rd party app is pretty far from simple, trivial or even easy to explain to a grandma / child.
Re:Ask HN: How do you trust that your personal machine is no... by abirch on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:19AM (#34390495)
I think Apple will have to allow different stores in Europe soon. It'll be interesting to see what happens.