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Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by parker_mountain on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:12PM (#34239496)
> My phone has 15 watt Qi charging, how novel.

Presumably an android phone (without magsafe)? My bedside charger is magsafe - it works very well and is one of those small things that works well and improves the experience.

There's a lot of stuff in the apple experience like this, that android users seem to scoff at - and then they try it and get hooked. I'm really glad Google is building their own phones and trying to push them as first class devices - iOS and iPhones desperately need strong competition.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by kaladin-jasnah on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:24PM (#34239596)
The problem is when you're and Android user like me—my only criterion is that the phone can have its bootloader unlocked and has good custom ROM support. This prevents e-waste in the long run (past custom ROM or official OS support) since I'd be able to always find some use for the phone—be it desktop Linux or whatever (for phones like the OnePlus 6, this is why the device is so incredibly compelling to me).

Unfortunately iOS devices are totally uncompetitive in this important space.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by parker_mountain on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:38PM (#34239745)
iOS devices generally receive os support for 5 years past their last retail shelf date (longer than when you bought the phone!). There's a lot to criticize apple w/r/t locked down devices, but their support lifespan is pretty good!
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by pxc on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @09:26PM (#34241187)
> There's a lot to criticize apple w/r/t locked down devices, but their support lifespan is pretty good!

Compared to most smartphones, it's pretty good, but compared to PCs it's pretty bad.

Overall, it's a sad state of affairs imo. Why do phones become obsolete so quickly when other computers can be perfectly usable for well over 10 years?

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by Terretta on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @09:58PM (#34241421)
> Why do phones become obsolete so quickly when other computers can be perfectly usable for well over 10 years?

I'll answer as if this is a real question: the overall rate and pervasiveness of change for that class of device.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by jsight on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @10:07PM (#34241498)
I wonder how well a nearly 10 year old smartphone would work with modern software? Has anyone tried something like a Note 3 with updated software? It might not be terrible, tbh.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by omnimus on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#34243893)
I recently had to use backup phone and used OnePlus One. Updated Lineage OS and it was… fine? The biggest problem for me has been battery life. I even tried to buy new battery but its hard to find ones that are not a bad scam.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by jsight on Thursday January 05, 2023 @09:38AM (#34260113)
It makes sense. The Snapdragon 800 and 801 weren't particularly slow. While cameras have certainly improved, even those weren't bad back then.

I suspect that 2022/2023 flagships would hold up really well 10 years from now.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by kaba0 on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @09:03AM (#34245584)
I mean, you are talking about a general purpose computer + quite great camera + multimedia device that fits in your pocket and is battery powered. The only ones we get close to 10 years of review were pretty much experimental phones, only recently did we reach a much more slower pace of development where a current gen phone is not that different from a 3 years older gen one. Current ones use much more durable materials (steel frames, glass which is contrary to “breaking easily” is one of the hardest materials, thus being very scratch resistant), and better, more performant hardware that won’t become multiple times better year-on-again, so besides replacing the battery every 3-5 years, they might very well have a longer lifespan.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by kaladin-jasnah on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:57PM (#34242199)
After that support cycle ends, the phone will rapidly become less and less useful. I could've bought a OnePlus One 8 years ago and still have Android 11 or 12 from custom ROM support, or some Linux distribution.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by parker_mountain on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @01:07AM (#34242567)
You could've, but have you held on to a phone that long? I suspect very few people have made the bridge from "could" to "have".

Between the

- battery lifespan (a technology that has tradeoffs between lifespan and capacity, such that manufacturers target 3 year lifecycles

- driver updates and baseband security (famously out of date on older android phones, no matter what "rom" you're running)

- ports lifecycles (the charger port has a finite lifecycle of plug cycles, also often cheaped out on a bit)

- lifespan of custom ROMs (frequently losing contributors and thus updates)

Is that phone really going to last 8 years of daily active use?

I think the answer is no. Apple has made a huge effort with the iphone 14 (not pro), to re-engineer the device to make it easier to repair and recycle. We'll see if that pays off, but I don't think holding on to a phone for 8 years is feasible or practical for enough people.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by alwayslikethis on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:27PM (#34239639)
Yeah. It's rather ironic that Google's phones have the best support for de-googling and comes close to it being a first-class experience. Samsung and Huawei iirc are the worse ones, which tries what it can to stop you from unlocking and cripple the phone if you do.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by kaladin-jasnah on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:59PM (#34242210)
American Samsung phones don't even let you unlock the bootloader. My friends have had to import Exynos-based Samsung phones to the US to truly own the hardware we bought.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by astrange on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:22PM (#34240646)
You’d just find the hardware isn’t capable of what you want it to do, because it wasn’t designed to do that, it was designed to be a phone.

Or in other words, it’s all fun and games until the flash dies because you used up the lifetime writes.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by kaba0 on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @08:58AM (#34245534)
Are you serious? Iphone devices easily live for 8+ years as is, android is unfortunately the platform where your perfectly fine phone can easily be “canceled” 1-2 years down the line on purely software grounds, even Samsung promises only 3, recently 4 years of support!

Oh, and don’t forget the reality of those “open” bootloaders, besides pixels almost all of them come with the huge caveat of wiping proprietary firmware ASAP, bringing your fancy camera’s quality to the dirt for example. So, do your phones really get a new life?

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by kaladin-jasnah on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @09:26AM (#34245823)
I am serious! Like I mentioned, I only care about the phone having an unlocked bootloader so I can install whatever software I desire, which means I don't really care about the camera or any of its features. I like to live a simple life. I have a nice Canon mirrorless camera for when I need good quality photography. As long as the phone can make calls, browse the web, send text messages and have a few messaging apps on a custom ROM (which most support), I'm plenty happy.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:29PM (#34239654)
How is the experienced improved? No inserting the cable? I never knew this was a problem...
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by parker_mountain on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:39PM (#34239752)
I didn't say it was a problem :) I said it's an improvement in the experience - and small, as I mentioned. Just one of the many small things i notice with iphones that make it hard to go back to android - and I have a pixel 6a for a work phone, so I'm aware of what the user story is like on that.

It's a small thing, but basically what I have is a magsafe stand next to my bed. I can lean over, with one hand, and rest the phone on the dock, and it latches into place. When I want the phone, I can gently tug on it - with one hand.

I have one on my desk as well. Place the phone down - never have to worry about aligning it with the qi pad, pick it up and it's been charging for however long i've been sitting.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @02:08PM (#34249950)
>I can lean over, with one hand, and rest the phone on the dock, and it latches into place. When I want the phone, I can gently tug on it - with one hand.

I still don't get the hype. Like sure, its less effort, but the effort being discussed is such a trivial amount. It takes me as much effort to plug in my phone as it does to scratch my back or something. I don't even think about it. There's so many things I plug in over the course of modern life.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by threeseed on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:39PM (#34239755)
I move from home desk/bed, car, work and can charge my phone in a second.

As opposed to having to remember to bring a cable, reaching into my bag each time to get it, plugging it in on both ends etc.

That's closer to a minute each time.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by freeone3000 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:56PM (#34239892)
You've already got a charging mat in those places, but didnt consider leaving a cable there?
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:47PM (#34239812)
> How is the experienced improved? No inserting the cable? I never knew this was a problem...

Try groggily inserting your cable into your phone at 2AM in the morning as you remember you need to charge it. Or you could just snap it to a magnetic charging surface and be done with it. MagSafe to lightning is what USB-C is to Micro USB: not necessary, but nicer.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by TexanFeller on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @10:41PM (#34241733)
I actually find it difficult sometimes to drag my iPhone 14 over my magsafe charger so it actually snaps to it in the dark. Easier for me to feel for the cable and lightning hole. Also you can use the phone while charging from a cable, but not very well while magsafe charging. Magsafe is fantastic for the car though.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @01:03AM (#34242540)
I have a MagSafe stand charger, so it’s pretty easy. If it was flat, it wouldn’t work so well on my night stand.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @02:00PM (#34249838)
I simply refuse to believe its hard to plug in a phone cable.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @02:04PM (#34249890)
It isn't. It is just the difference between 5 seconds and 500 milliseconds.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @02:18PM (#34250067)
I guess I don't lose sleep over that
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by chubs on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:31PM (#34240726)
I prefer MagSafe because the lightning sockets wear out after many years, and the cables fray, for a couple examples :)
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @02:03PM (#34249879)
News to me about the lightning sockets. I've been using them since the iphone 5 and just about every part of the phone other than the socket seems to break first. I solved cable fray by buying non apple lightning cables.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by wlesieutre on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @08:33PM (#34240738)
Cables wear out, I’ve yet to have a Qi pad die.

A tradeoff is that my cat walking on my nightstand can stop the phone from charging, but MagSafe would take care of that.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by ValentineC on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @11:03PM (#34241865)
Funny that you mention this, because my first ever Qi pad (that I got as swag from a conference) died within days of use, possibly from overheating.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @02:01PM (#34249855)
Anecdotal. My third party lightning cables last forever now that I no longer buy the apple branded ones with that crappy insulation that frays when you look at them wrong
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by wlesieutre on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @03:44PM (#34251256)
Haven’t had insulation problems, it’s more that the pins on the lightning connector eventually wear and stop connecting consistently. For MFi cables I believe that part is supplied by Apple and will be the same across all brands. Most of mine have been Anker.

I’ve also had USB-C charging cables fail, and the springy charging pins on my Pebble weren’t great either. Lightning or USB ports on phones will also get gummed up with pocket lint. Not making a physical connection for charging just seems to work better long term.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @03:53PM (#34251396)
Thats assuming the magsafe chargers also don't have their own issues crop up over time. The pin issue must be rare because I've never experienced it, or maybe I have enough chargers where my usage is distributed enough to never use them to that point. Plus it doesn't justify not having a port for other things that need a hardwired connection, like audio out. Bluetooth is not a replacement for 3.5mm.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by 0x457 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @09:16PM (#34241102)
On the nightstand, I have Pixel upright charger, it turns my phone into a clock (turns off-screen if it's dark). I can grab it and put back on effortlessly without looking for cable, plugging/unplugging, cleaning lint out of usb-c port.

On my office desk, I have another wireless charger, but this one is flat. Place my phone/headphone-case on it, and it's charging. If I need either - just pick it up and go. I don't have to think about plugging the cable and accidentally pulling it when I forget to unplug it.

That makes me charge my phone more often during the day (i.e. charge at 50% to 80%). During the night, it doesn't matter because the phone is slow charging to be at 100% around the time I wake rather than charge to a 100% and then sit at it the entire night.

If I do need a quick charge - I just unplug the wireless charger and charge it. Airport lounges have charging spots on tables - don't have to: a) trust their USB ports b) get cables and charger out of my bad. Cars have them.

Anyways, not going back to charging with wire anytime soon.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by asdff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @02:02PM (#34249864)
Maybe lint is a USB-C issue, I've never had to delint a lightning port and my pockets have a good deal of that stuff generally
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by 0x457 on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @08:29PM (#34254694)
I had the same issue on lightning port. Probably more often than on USB-C. Maybe it's just my pockets.
Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @06:43PM (#34239785)
See my other comments here.

I'd definitely prefer to use Apple devices, but they don't work for me in my current circumstances.

Re:Next-generation Qi2 wireless charging standard embraces A... by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @03:41PM (#34251194)
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