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Re:Hogmanay by WaxProlix on Friday December 30, 2022 @10:14PM (#34193148)
In general, the Scots would not appreciate being called British, or lumped in with the British. So if you find yourself making use of this retained information in mixed company (ie, with a Scotsman) be sure to remember that Scottish != British.
Re:Hogmanay by dboreham on Friday December 30, 2022 @10:36PM (#34193260)
Not sure how true a scotsman you are but I never heard that. It's fine to be called British, because (at least for now) that's accurate. What annoys scots is to be called English.

Perhaps you're thinking of the issue with sports reporting? (Where a Scottish athlete who wins is called British by the English press but when they lose they're Scottish?)

Re:Hogmanay by kazinator on Friday December 30, 2022 @10:22PM (#34193183)
Scotland is part of Great Britain. The "British" adjective basically denotes anything under Britain.

The Scottish language isn't in the Brittonic family. It is Anglic. However, English is also Anglic and not Brittonic, yet the English don't mind calling themselves British.

Go figure.

Re:Hogmanay by flir on Friday December 30, 2022 @10:32PM (#34193242)
So which people(s) do you think are British, then?
Re:Hogmanay by wombatpm on Friday December 30, 2022 @10:16PM (#34193157)
This reads like a No True Scotsman argument
Re:Hogmanay by jahewson on Friday December 30, 2022 @11:13PM (#34193481)
Who exactly do you think “the British” are?
Re:Hogmanay by NiagaraThistle on Saturday December 31, 2022 @12:36AM (#34193917)
This (Scots != British) is not true, and it also is not universally true that all Scots would dislike being called British. True Scottish folk are Scottish first, British second, English never :) But many Scottish people are proud British citizens. I have a Scottish father who can confirm this.
Re:Hogmanay by WaxProlix on Saturday December 31, 2022 @01:49AM (#34194296)
Maybe sample bias then, most scots I've met resent the association, and are keen to dissolve it if possible. I think there's even a referendum upcoming to test the notion? Not sure on that bit.
Re:Hogmanay by defrost on Saturday December 31, 2022 @01:58AM (#34194318)
It's the Venn diagram from hell, you know, and perhaps something went amiss in translation.

There's been a referendum (and may yet be another, not to mention numerous wars of years gone by) on the matter of being joined with the English as part of the United Kingdom - but that's not the same as digging a channel and casting adrift from the island of Great Britain, shared with other British folk such as the Welsh, the Cornish, and even (hack, spit) the English.

Re:Hogmanay by davepdotorg on Saturday December 31, 2022 @03:09AM (#34194607)
Are you, perhaps, conflating Britain and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? There’s a potential upcoming referendum about the latter, not the former.
Re:Hogmanay by smcl on Saturday December 31, 2022 @01:36PM (#34199284)
I think it's still a thing some people wouldn't like. Like if you had a super-hardline Unionist in Northern Ireland, and you insisted they were Irish (because they are from the island of Ireland) they might get a little upset.

I made a comment elsewhere saying that people shouldn't get upset about getting called "British" if they consider themselves Scottish above all. But likewise I don't think it's smart or considerate to be all "well actually..." about something deeply personal and strongly felt like someone's national identity or gender or anything like that. That's sort of asking for conflict.

Re:Hogmanay by globalise83 on Saturday December 31, 2022 @01:14AM (#34194136)
Many Scots I know, including some serving in the British Army, disagree. Many Scots do wish to remain British and it isn't wise to make "in general" statements on a divisive issue.
Re:Hogmanay by WaxProlix on Saturday December 31, 2022 @04:04AM (#34194823)
A fair enough point.
Re:Hogmanay by nly on Saturday December 31, 2022 @05:47AM (#34195276)
To be fair it's not like they can serve in the Scottish Army is it.
Re:Hogmanay by smcl on Saturday December 31, 2022 @06:28AM (#34195486)
I don’t think that’s what was meant. Squaddies tend be way more pro-Britain and pro-Royalty than the rest of the public. I have some ideas on why that might be, but it’s probably true throughout the rest of the world (ie there aren’t likely many pro-Basque or Catalan separatists in the Spanish army, or Quebec nationalists in the Canadian army)
Re:Hogmanay by leoedin on Saturday December 31, 2022 @03:04AM (#34194585)
I'm Scottish and British. Without getting too far into the politics of it, Scotland is literally on the island of Great Britain. From a purely geographical standpoint, Scottish people are British.

What other term would you use to describe people from the constituent nations of Great Britain?

Re:Hogmanay by midasuni on Saturday December 31, 2022 @04:11AM (#34194851)
63% of residents of Scotland describe themselves as Scottish only - not British.

18% Scottish and British, 8% British only.

https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/webapi/jsf/tableView/tabl...

Results were similar in 2011 too.

Re:Hogmanay by Jorengarenar on Saturday December 31, 2022 @04:27AM (#34194922)
Canadians aren't Americans in a sense of "citizens of USA", but in geographical sense they are. The same applies here.
Re:Hogmanay by mathieuh on Saturday December 31, 2022 @05:10AM (#34195130)
Using a specific definition of a word to tell people they’re wrong about their own identity usually doesn’t go over very well.

“British” almost always means “identifies with the UK”.

Re:Hogmanay by leoedin on Saturday December 31, 2022 @08:05PM (#34202495)
Your link is broken. Are you able to provide another one?
Re:Hogmanay by leoedin on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @07:09AM (#34230470)
What do they put on a form when asked their nationality? Last time I checked my passport says "British".
Re:Hogmanay by donbrae on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:35PM (#34238423)
I always put Scottish. British would also be acceptable.
Re:Hogmanay by danstewart_ on Saturday December 31, 2022 @04:44AM (#34195001)
A few people telling you that you’re wrong when you’re correct, a lot of Scots (myself included) do not like to identify as British.

Yes, Scotland is within the island of Britain but many of us (though not all) identify as Scottish, not British.

This seems to come up a lot online and I wonder what percentage of people making the corrections are actually Scottish…

Re:Hogmanay by midasuni on Saturday December 31, 2022 @05:43AM (#34195264)
Fairly meaningless. Some do, some don’t. Personal annecdotes are useless as there’s plenty of Scots that identify as British and plenty of Scots that identify as Not British. Hell there’s plenty of people living in Scotland that don’t identify as Scottish.

The census puts is about 2 in 3 as Scottish Only though, not British, which is usable data.

I get the impression the OP is an American. Plenty of people in America believe they are Scottish despite their entire experience of Scotland being a day trip to Edinburgh and some tourist shop selling them a kilt because their great-granddad was born in Aberdeen.

Re:Hogmanay by smcl on Saturday December 31, 2022 @06:17AM (#34195412)
I know you mean well - there are people who do believe that and they would take offence to being called “British”. They need to learn to handle it though. As a Scot who would describe themselves as “Scottish” when asked my nationality and who probably has similar feelings about Scottish independence as those people - I feel like this kind of nitpicking is unhelpful and allows opposition to dismiss us as naive, petty and tribal. People getting all puffed up needlessly is embarrassing and you’d think by now they’d be used to it

Yes I’m Scottish, my passport says “British” and I share a lot of things culturally with our friends south of the border to the point that I would weigh in on any topic about “British” issues as one of them. Whether I like it or not, I’m as British as any English or Welsh person.

Re:Hogmanay by ndsipa_pomu on Saturday December 31, 2022 @09:10AM (#34196554)
That's like Canadians/Mexicans objecting to be called American when they do live in North America.

I've not heard of Scots objecting to the use of Britain/British, but they (and the Welsh) would most definitely complain (and rightly so) if anyone referred to them as English.

Re:Hogmanay by creativenolo on Saturday December 31, 2022 @06:29PM (#34201826)
Yawn.