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Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by 22289d on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:24PM (#34143878)
You and others are attributing ill intent to the landowners that I did not read in the article. While it is true they receive that benefit from this situation, they aren't the ones who created it. They didn't decide which land to make public and which to make private. They are simply playing the hand they've been dealt.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by giantg2 on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:38PM (#34143965)
Is there a scenario where pressing charges and a civil suit for corner crossing doesn't involve ill will?
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by 22289d on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:46PM (#34144015)
The Montana rancher quoted in the article seemed to have a reasonable justification for it. I can't say I fully agree with him or that I'd press charges for it but he doesn't sound like he has ill intent. People firing guns and scaring his kids, trespassing deep into his land, parking in his driveway etc. And local law enforcement stretched thin and unable to respond consistently. So his position is basically I'm going to do everything I can to keep these people away from my property. That's understandable.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by giantg2 on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:47PM (#34144027)
Those scenarios are different than the one I mentioned. Those are also different than the WY ranch case scenario.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by 22289d on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:49PM (#34144049)
You asked me a question, I answered it.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by giantg2 on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:58PM (#34144115)
And you failed to answer it by injecting other scenarios.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by 22289d on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:04PM (#34144163)
> Is there a scenario where pressing charges and a civil suit for corner crossing doesn't involve ill will?

This is what you asked me.

I think perhaps you intended to ask me something else.

The answer to that question is 'yes' and I gave you an example of such. Were the Montana rancher to press charges for corner-crossing, based on his stated reasoning, I don't think that would be ill will.

You didn't specific any restrictions on which situations apply or do not apply to your question.

Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by giantg2 on Monday December 26, 2022 @11:09PM (#34145012)
Dear God, when is pressing charges not ill will? You clearly wish the government its force to punish them!
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by c54 on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:28PM (#34143900)
This would be true if lobbyists didn’t exist.

Too often those who benefit from the status quo masquerade under a pretense of helplessness while using their position to place a toe on the scales.

I’m curious though, are you in the category of benefiting landowner? Or coming to their defense in the name of something else?

Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by 22289d on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:39PM (#34143972)
I came to the defense of the truth. I read the whole article and I read nothing in it that would suggest the land owners have the ill intent that many attribute to them. It seems to be an assumption people quickly jump to but it's not in the article.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by robocat on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:45PM (#34144011)
The article mentions one person with major ill intent:

  The hunters who used a ladder to corner-cross in Wyoming now face a civil lawsuit from the owner of the private land whose airspace they stepped through, in addition to the original criminal trespass charge. Their criminal case, currently set for April 14th, will take place in a local court and therefore will not establish legal precedent. However, on March 31st, a judge ordered for their civil case (that is, the one brought by the landowner) to be moved to federal district court, where the outcome could serve as precedent in future cases. Whatever comes next, this legal gray area could very well remain clear as fog for decades to come.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by 22289d on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:52PM (#34144073)
I think you're making an assumption of ill intent. That or you're relying on information that is not in the quote you just provided. Pressing charges for using a ladder to corner-cross does not by itself indicate ill intent. At least to me. Why did they press charges for that? What was their intent in doing so?
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by cscurmudgeon on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:43PM (#34144003)
> Too often

Any evidence for that happening here?

I’m curious though, are you in the category of benefiting non-landowner? Or coming to their defense in the name of something else?

Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by dghlsakjg on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:43PM (#34144002)
In this particular instance, they very much created the situation. The landowner called multiple law enforcement agencies until they found one that was willing to push it to prosecution, which the state lost.
Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by armchairhacker on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:48PM (#34144042)
Landowners own the land, but they can decide to not prosecute people "trespassing" over the corners (which, AFAIK, has no effect on their private land in any way whatsoever).

I'm sure most landowners aren't POS and most do not. But this guy did, and gave the hunters a big fine and a big legal challenge because they were in his "airspace" for no more than a couple minutes. Which is why we need a codified law, so hunters and campers don't even have to worry about this in the future.

Re:6M Acres of Public Land in the US West Are Corner-Locked by prepend on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:08PM (#34144185)
They can decide not to prosecute for criminal trespass. This is entirely the landowners fault.