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Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:16AM (#34118206)
Prediction: Dems will make a move on federal legalization in the months before the 2024 presidential election, or at least make federal legalization a major election issue.

A lot of right wing / libertarian adjacent people were hoping Trump would come out in favor of it as a 2020 election issue, to outflank Biden on at least one issue. It didn't happen, but I bet it would have made the election a bit closer -- it would have cooled support for Biden by a lot of younger and disillusioned voters.

I predict they'll make it a campaign issue and force the Republican candidate to come out strongly against it, to try to cool support from a lot of younger and pro-legalization Republicans.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:20AM (#34118252)
Difficult to see what this comment adds to the discussion. The House is divided. So unless the GOP adopts this as their issue, the next chance for change is the next election.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:43AM (#34118478)
The Dems explicitly did not make legalization a notable part of the 2020 national campaign. They focused on making the campaign a referendum on Trump in general and COVID in particular. This was a good strategic play.

My comment is that making the 2024 election a referendum on legalization (and a few other big issues like abortion) will likely be the good strategic play. You could imagine a future, though, where they go ignore legalization and focus entirely on abortion and other issues.

But they would risk getting outflanked on legalization by a more libertarian-minded Republican, which could cost the election due to reducing turnout of young and disillusioned voters who would otherwise go Dem.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by BossingAround on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:53AM (#34118579)
> My comment is that making the 2024 election a referendum on legalization

My take is that most people don't see cannabis legalization as an important-enough issue. It's kind of "would be nice" issue that's overweighted by issues like economy, democracy, and immigration.

I'm not in the US, but that's my only explanation for why hasn't cannabis been legalized on the federal level yet, i.e. that people simply don't care enough about it to even be a part of the discussion.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:02PM (#34118669)
That's totally possible. There is definitely a potential timeline where it just gets basically ignored.

The big divide is really by age. Older voters (in both parties) tend to oppose it. 72% of people under 30 are pro-legalization, but only 30% of people older than 75 are. The average for all US adults is 60%.

Younger voters' low turnout messes up the calculus here. But as soon as the number of young voters you'd gain exceeds the number of old voters a candidate would lose, you'll start to see this play out, and I think we're really close to that tipping point.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by glandium on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:46PM (#34122851)
What your percentages don't say is how many pro-legalization want it bad enough for it to matter more than other issues when considering their vote.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by pstuart on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:44PM (#34121355)
Part of the problem is that for most people the subject of legalizing cannabis is considered only in the context of "more people are going to use drugs". It needs to be framed in how much it costs society to enforce those laws (both in money and freedom).
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by Doubtme on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:21AM (#34118256)
Cannabis banking came up on this 1.7 trillion dollar bill that just got passed.

It wasn't included thanks to Republicans.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:38AM (#34118418)
I think the correct strategic move would be to make it an issue in the months before the election, and try to force the R challenger to come out strongly against it. I would not expect any serious boat rocking right now due to where we are in the political cycle.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by Doubtme on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:23PM (#34118876)
That is unfortunately not your fault. You see. There is no strategy.

So whenever good people try and come up with ideas about literally any subject. the republicans ie McConnell are ready to strike it down 100% of the time.

It doesn't matter that it has majority support. It doesn't matter if it helps save American lives. It does not matter what the logistics are or how much money is involved. It does not matter if it helps military veterans and minorities.

Every plan. Every thought. Every move. will be without fail. Denied. Denied. Denied.

That is their only play. and it will also be their downfall. much like a DDOS attack on a network. All we have to do is create a network stronger then the ones they have in play and they will cease to exist entirely. aka - voting. and with republicans saying don't vote - don't vote with mail in ballots - don't vote early.

They got absolutely destroyed pushing their own agenda. Its honestly amazing.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by neuronexmachina on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:58AM (#34118633)
I hadn't heard about that, found more info here: https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3782514-marijuana-advocat...

>It passed the House seven times — receiving a whopping 321 votes last year — and had enough GOP support to reach 60 votes in the Senate.

>But it did not have the support of McConnell, whose opposition kept it out of the spending bill.

>McConnell first blocked the SAFE Banking Act’s inclusion in the defense bill earlier this month, arguing that it would make the U.S. financial system “more sympathetic to illegal drugs.”

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by p0pcult on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:22PM (#34120189)
The pocket veto is a ridiculous thing.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by zdragnar on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:24PM (#34118894)
I don't think it is unreasonable for them to have blocked it, for the simple reason it would allow banks to engage in businesses that are violating federal law.

The only true policy is a coherent policy- anything else is just the whims of whoever holds executive fiat.

It should just be fully legalized.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by Doubtme on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:56PM (#34119225)
- a law that makes it legal and safe for banks to engage in business with corporate cannabis companies that are also legal as defined by the states that have passed their own recreational and medical cannabis laws -

- Should be denied because its currently not passed yet

- https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1996

- Passed House (04/19/2021)

- " It should just be fully legalized " - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrHecD8JhfY

- Then why does the government lie to its own people to push agendas ? Why is that allowed ?

- Oh right its because nobody knows how to read anymore. or educate themselves.

- Banks violate federal law on purpose pay a slap on the wrist fine and keep engaging in behavior that ruins the lives of millions around the world yet here you are FUCKING ACTING LIKE YOUR ABOVE ALL THIS BULLSHIT.

- Naw fam. Read.

- EDIT: fentanyl is a bigger priority. Yet you would probably convince yourself that somehow overdosing millions of Americans is completely fine unchecked - https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/12/22/us-life-exp...

- " The fentanyl category of opioids accounted for 53,480 preventable deaths in 2020, representing a 59% increase over the 33,725 total in 2019. "

- " Preventable drug overdose deaths increased 34.4% in 2020, from 62,172 in 2019. In 2020, 83,558 people died from preventable drug overdoses – an increase of 649% since 1999. These deaths represent 91% of the total 91,799 drug overdose deaths in the United States, which also include suicide, homicide, and undetermined intents. "

- AND BANKS CANT TAKE CASH FROM ALREADY LEGAL BUSINESSES OK DUDE. WHATEVER YOU SAY

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico...

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/books/article/3...

https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/global-bank...

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-fines-16-major-w...

https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/industry/financia...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/investing/wells-fargo-cfpb-fo...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by BurningFrog on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:41PM (#34119725)
If a criminal has a bank account, it's insane to me that that means the bank is engaged in a criminal business.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by jonathanlb on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:49PM (#34119821)
In some cases it is. Wachovia (acquired by Wells Fargo) laundered drug money: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico...

> Primarily, these involved deposits of traveller's cheques in euros. They had sequential numbers and deposited larger amounts of money than any innocent travelling person would need, with inadequate or no KYC [know your client] information on them and what seemed to a trained eye to be dubious signatures. "It was basic work," he says. "They didn't answer the obvious questions: 'Is the transaction real, or does it look synthetic? Does the traveller's cheque meet the protocols? Is it all there, and if not, why not?'"

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by treis on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:03PM (#34120560)
I don't see how it's insane. In fact, it seems perfectly logical to me that you can't knowingly help people commit crimes.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by matthewdgreen on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:27PM (#34121229)
Encouraging legal businesses to deal in cash outside of the standard Federal banking system (with its various AML/CTF protections) seems like it's a bad thing, at least if one believes bank compliance is an important goal.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by zdragnar on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:04PM (#34122067)
They aren't legal businesses per federal law. Federal law needs to bring them into compliance (i.e. pot should be reclassified) and the issue goes away, because then you don't have to carve out mandates to banks to work with them.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by matthewdgreen on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:43PM (#34122418)
We agree! But carve-outs for banking activity are [eta: more] politically feasible in the short term and full legalization (regrettably) seems to be much farther off. The question is whether it’s better to be consistent and risk more short-term criminal activity or to solve the immediate problem.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by zdragnar on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:35AM (#34128077)
What's the saying, there's nothing more permanent than a temporary fix?
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by scifibestfi on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:48AM (#34118521)
It sucks how everything is a political football instead of just doing the right thing. They had full control and could have legalized it. But no, they keep holding onto just to drag voters along every election.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by quadrifoliate on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:39PM (#34119046)
It sucks how uneducated about basic things US voters are.

The Affordable Care Act is probably the most impactful law passed by Democrats in the recent past. In a survey of 2000 voters, a staggering thirty-five percent did not know [1] that the ACA and the colloquial "Obamacare" were the same thing. Bizarrely, an additional number didn't know that 'Obamacare repealed = ACA repealed'.

I cannot blame either party for playing political football when dealing with this sort of electorate.

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[1] https://www.npr.org/2017/02/11/514732211/obamacare-and-affor...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by mjevans on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:18PM (#34120142)
I can. People are so focused on not disenfranchising voters (like actually happened / might still happen against marginalized segments of the population), that they don't wonder, what is _empowering_ a citizen as a voter?

I DO support a basic civics and mathematics test, on a recurring basis, for voters. HOWEVER, that's only with the catch that failing or opting out of the test creates benefits designed to encourage the citizen to pass the test in the future. A benefit like, access to public education to work on that math skills and civics awareness. Or possibly someone is disabled (often silently, dementia is a real issue!) and the voter tests might be one of the places it's discovered.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ownlife on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:35AM (#34124627)
A democracy is not a system of government in which the government's power derives from the people who know calculus. It a system wherein power comes from the people, period.

Also, literacy tests were ruled unconstitutional in Oregon v. Mitchell.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by mjevans on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:14AM (#34136036)
Please do not put words in my mouth. Calculus is currently an AP / college subject, not a required public education one.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ownlife on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:37PM (#34142164)
Fair enough.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ransom1538 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:33PM (#34120297)
"The national uninsured rate in the United States has reached an all-time low of 8%". Given this, I would say 92% US citizens don't care. Most people get insurance from work, family or are of the 120 million Medicare/Medicaid patients. If you are in another country reading our news - we would look like idiots, but, in reality 92% of the country is insured.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by quadrifoliate on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:30PM (#34121800)
> Given this, I would say 92% US citizens don't care.

That's what is so mind-boggling to me.

The US as a whole spends more on healthcare than any other OECD country, and the fact that most people in the electorate don't care about this is kind of depressing.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by GeneralMayhem on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:17PM (#34155787)
The ACA made life much, much better for people who are insured. Most of what the ACA did was tell insurance companies that they had to actually pay for things once in a while - e.g., getting rid of "preexisting condition" excuses - so that their product would be just a bit more predictable and less of a scam.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by scarface74 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:48PM (#34122441)
Or a senior citizen on Medicare complaining about they don’t want government run healthcare.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by pyuser583 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:45PM (#34124021)
The Democrats were absolutely massacred for passing it in 2010.

Even Massachusetts elected a Republican Senator!

Even now I don’t think the Democrats gain much from bringing it up,

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by GeneralMayhem on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:26PM (#34118917)
>They had full control and could have legalized it

That's not how the Senate works. A 50-50 "majority" is not full control.

In any case, it's pretty silly to blame the party that's on your side for not being able to overcome the bad-faith obstructionism of the opposing party. It's not about political "footballs", it's about having finite time and public attention to be able to get things done. If every single fight has to be dragged into the public to shame the other side into taking a few minutes off from looting and pillaging, then you have to prioritize and pick the optimal time for each battle.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:40PM (#34119054)
Yes, the current fillibuster rules require a 60-40 supermajority to get anything done, but the fillubuster rule itself can be changed with a simple majority of 50%+1. But the incentive structure is not there to actually change this rule -- both parties benefit from it.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by wyldfire on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:59PM (#34119256)
> both parties benefit from it.

Is that really the case? It is a bias towards the status quo.

Regardless, IMO the constituents represented by those parties don't benefit from it.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by BurningFrog on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:38PM (#34119699)
> It is a bias towards the status quo.

Not a fan of the status quo, but with two largely insane parties fighting for power, I'm thankful for moderating forces.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by bobthepanda on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:20PM (#34119517)
There are “kingmaker” senators in both parties that cross the aisle occasionally, that this rule benefits (and also generally their specific constituents, since their outsize influence gets them more than they might otherwise get in negotiations.)

Given that these kingmakers are what causes things to go over 50-50 they want to preserve their power.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by rewgs on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:05PM (#34119341)
> both parties benefit from it.

> It is a bias towards the status quo.

These are the same thing.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by wonderwonder on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:28PM (#34120245)
I've decided to actually base my vote on the status quo now. I want divided government because of how radicalized both parties have become. If something is very important, it will get votes from both parties. The current status quo is better than what either party wants
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by doktorhladnjak on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:40PM (#34120872)
If a majority of senators did not benefit from having the filibuster, they would repeal it. The minority party is for it because it blocks the majority party. Moderates are for it because it protects them from having to go on the record by voting on controversial issues.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by Me1000 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:08PM (#34120609)
That’s also not how the Senate works. Senators are beholden to their respective constituencies, not the party of which they’re a member. A conservative Democrat from West Virginia has more job security when he runs against his party sometimes.

Blaming the party rather than individual Senators is not a helpful way of looking at the problem.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by HDThoreaun on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:51PM (#34121432)
As much as manchin likes to say, democrats do not benefit from the filibuster. Tons of Republican issues are single issue nonsense that the majority of the country would detest if passed, so republicans rely on the filibuster to just not do anything. Forcing republicans to actually pass laws would be good for democrats politically.

The filibuster continues to exist because it gives people like manchin compete power, so the most moderate of each party will always try to keep it alive.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by UnpossibleJim on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:36PM (#34119681)
>>In any case, it's pretty silly to blame the party that's on your side<<

Not to be a complete downer, but there is so much special interest money involved in our political system, neither the Democrats or the Republicans are on your side. They are both on the moneyed interest side. These political footballs are, for the most part, to string along voters on "hot button" issues to keep the public disinterested on the numerous things that these parties actually agree on, like expanded military spending, global expansionism, corporate tax reduction, lessening monopoly laws, reducing banking restrictions, reducing spending on interstate infrastructure, cutting education spending and restricting the ability for fair and equal elections through redistricting. All of these (and more I can't think of) are bipartisan efforts.

Sorry... I shouldn't watch the news. It's a bummer =)

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by GeneralMayhem on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:14PM (#34155764)
If you believe in cannabis legalization, which is what this thread is about, then one party is very obviously on your side on that issue, and one is very obviously not. But sure, let's go through the list, just for fun.

> expanded military spending

Democrats don't really vote for this, certainly not to the same degree, but sure, I wish there were more difference.

> global expansionism

Vague to the point of meaninglessness.

> corporate tax reduction

Definitely not the same. Democrats recently pushed for a minimum corporate tax (https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-corporate-tax-plan-th...).

> lessening monopoly laws

Also vague, but not generally true. Democrats will vote for actual antitrust legislation; they won't vote for the Republicans using "anti-trust" as a meaningless scare-word to bash businesses they don't like for unrelated reasons.

> reducing banking restrictions

Maybe in the 90s, but not recently. Who wrote the Dodd-Frank Act, and who repealed it?

> reducing spending on interstate infrastructure

Vague, but not generally true. There are a bunch of major transportation projects (e.g. California HSR, DC's Purple Line) that have been held up for ages because Democrats will vote to fund them and then Republicans will take it away, or because it's impossible to get Republican states/counties to pay their fair share. For telecomms, Democrats will tend to push more for equitable-access programs, whereas Republicans will frame corporate tax cuts as "infrastructure spending" as long as some infrastructure-related companies benefit. Go look at the numbers and priorities in the 2021 infrastructure bill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_...), which passed on mostly party lines, and tell me the parties agree on cutting infrastructure spending.

> cutting education spending

Laughably false. Go look at the per-student education budget per state. (Federal DoE spending YoY is kind of weird because it's washed out by college loan financing; most direct spending on education is at the state level.)

> restricting the ability for fair and equal elections through redistricting

Seriously, you're going to sit there and argue, in the year 2022, that the parties are the same on election fairness? The fact that the Democrats don't aggressively gerrymander is why they don't currently hold the House - the New York legislature could have chopped up Long Island differently to stem the losses. More generally, Democrats consistently vote for protecting ballot access, against Republicans who nakedly want to make it more difficult to vote - and that's setting aside the whole armed-insurrection-to-overthrow-an-election thing, which, last I checked, 90% of the Republican party will still fall in line for.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by coffeebeqn on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:52PM (#34119860)
I believe the FDA could de schedule it?
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:54AM (#34118586)
It does suck, but it's what the system of democracy we currently have incentivizes.

I've kind of become a bit of a voting reform absolutist for this reason. Publicly funded elections, get rid of first-past-the-post plurality voting (and replace with approval, ranked choice, anything really), electoral college reform, Wyoming rule, etc.

If these problems were fixed, the incentives to solve the other problems are much more aligned.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ratorx on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:36PM (#34120334)
I think the problem is more fundamental than that. There’s no mechanism in the system for feedback on improving the system itself because it would disadvantage the people who have been elected by the current system (since those are the people that have figured out how to exploit it the best).

The only current method would be to somehow convince the people in power that they will need to overhaul the system to stay in power in the future. But that’s not gonna happen because the existing loopholes are so massive (e.g. gerrymandering), that they can basically guarantee that anyway.

It’s also not a policy issue, and it feels weird to vote for it (or vote for people who promise it), because it’s not a direct thing that will affect your daily life and is more second order than that.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by Spooky23 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:54PM (#34120998)
You’re right. The federal system is designed to blunt the mob.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:39PM (#34122386)
What’s the Wyoming rule?
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by human_person on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:17PM (#34122653)
The Wyoming Rule is a proposal to increase the size of the United States House of Representatives so that the standard representative-to-population ratio would be that of the smallest state, which is currently Wyoming (copied from Wikipedia)
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by chiefalchemist on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:34PM (#34119002)
Similar is true of abortions. The majority/control was there - more than once - and despite knowing Roe v Wade was on shifting sands the Dems refused to act. The issue empowers The Politics Industrial Complex but does little to work for We The People.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/im-your-biggest-fan/

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by dragonwriter on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:40PM (#34122388)
> Similar is true of abortions. The majority/control was there - more than once - and despite knowing Roe v Wade was on shifting sands the Dems refused to act.

Act how?

Unlike marriage (where the FFC clause gives Congress an explicit power), the “codify Roe” refrain was always hollow since without Roe being a 14th Amendment right there is no real Constitutional argument for authority for federal codification.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:31AM (#34128545)
I don't know the particulars but the current POTUS did come out and promise a codified response. Other reports at the time also implied proactive action could have been taken.

This was simply yet another issue that was intentionally managed to benefit The Politics Industrial Complex.

Note: I don't consider HuffPost to be a beacon of journalism. It's simply the top of the SERP. I'm confident better have reported the same.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-codify-roe-v-wade-congr...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by kapildev on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:14PM (#34120100)
>They had full control and could have legalized it.

Them having full control wasn't enough.

Democrats passed it in the House and all Democratic Senators supported it in the Senate. However, Republicans killed it because Democrats wanted the Omnibus bill to pass for which support from Mitch McConnell was necessary. Mitch McConnell was opposed to this Cannabis bill.

Link: https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3782514-marijuana-advocat...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by anon84873628 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:50PM (#34120449)
Really we should blame all the executive administrations for not forcing the DEA to do their job properly. Keeping cannabis as a Schedule 1 is completely scientifically unjustified. There was already an existing legal framework available to legalize the drug. But since the DEA/FDA is so corrupt, we have to fall back to checks & balances available in the states and Congress.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by janalsncm on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:17PM (#34120687)
Vast majority of cannabis arrests are at the local level. Even a federal legalization law would not stop that.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by pstuart on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:18PM (#34121172)
We should be legalizing (and regulating/taxing) all drugs. The DEA is obviously incentivized to fight this as that would kill their raison d'être.

The War on Drugs has effectively brainwashed most people to think that the best way to control "dangerous" drugs is to make them illegal.

And the politics of this is that were the Dems to try to do this then the GOP would campaign on the Dems trying to give drugs to kids like candy.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by pyuser583 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:49PM (#34124048)
The whole Schedule business is pure propaganda.

The DEA regularly describes it as dangerousness: “Schedule I is the most dangerous!”

But it’s not dangerousness, it’s whether there is a medical use.

Marijuana didn’t have a medical use, because it’s not very powerful. It makes you feel dizzy and hungry. If it was a drug, spinning around in circles would he schedule I.

Heroin is powerful enough to be a legit pain killer, so it’s Schedule II.

This really is a case of reporters not doing their job.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by janalsncm on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:15PM (#34120676)
> political football

That’s what a democracy is. Democracies aren’t nicer places to live because our politicians are nice people. It’s because our interests happen to align with those of politicians. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

CGP Grey had a nice video on this, which I plagiarized for the comment above:

https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by refurb on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:43PM (#34124338)
“Do the right thing” has no absolute answer in a nation of 330M.

Every decision will result in some people supporting you and others working to kick you out of office.

If you don’t tread carefully you won’t be in power long.

It has nothing to do with the American system and everything to do with democratic representation in government.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by klyrs on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:15PM (#34118792)
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/marijuana-banking-bill-excluded-...

Actually, they made this move just recently, not tied to an election. But Republicans blocked it in Senate.

Obama was elected on his promise of "hope" and "change" and he asked his voter base what to spend his time on. The top two issues were health care and cannabis. He noped cannabis.

Perhaps making this an election issue is actually the necessary ingredient to bring republicans on board.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by xwowsersx on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:11PM (#34119402)
> and force the Republican candidate to come out strongly against it

If the polls are to be believed, this seems an unlikely outcome. I don't see a Republican candidate doing this, but stranger things have happened, I guess.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/22/americans-o...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by HDThoreaun on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:56PM (#34121479)
The only thing that matters is the primary. Ignore general polls and look at the party ones to see which policies will be championed. Candidates try to back off after they win the primary but it’s usually ineffective and commonly backfires when the opponent calls them a flip flopper.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by godelski on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:27PM (#34119579)
I used to hold a similar belief but my prediction was that they would do it in two parts: first decriminalize cannabis around the midterms, second, push for legalization around the 2024 election. Decriminalization could have come with talks about performing research, helping minority communities with policing, and allowing banks to work with state producers. Now I just don't think they are as good at political scheming as I thought and potentially that neither party is actually seeking a win so much as seeking drama.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by chadlavi on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:37PM (#34120339)
Unfortunately Biden himself has a pretty staunchly anti-marijuana track record from his time in the senate. He changed his tune somewhat when he joined the Obama admin but I don't think that push for national legalization is going to come from the Oval Office.