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Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by scifibestfi on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:48AM (#34118521)
It sucks how everything is a political football instead of just doing the right thing. They had full control and could have legalized it. But no, they keep holding onto just to drag voters along every election.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by quadrifoliate on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:39PM (#34119046)
It sucks how uneducated about basic things US voters are.

The Affordable Care Act is probably the most impactful law passed by Democrats in the recent past. In a survey of 2000 voters, a staggering thirty-five percent did not know [1] that the ACA and the colloquial "Obamacare" were the same thing. Bizarrely, an additional number didn't know that 'Obamacare repealed = ACA repealed'.

I cannot blame either party for playing political football when dealing with this sort of electorate.

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[1] https://www.npr.org/2017/02/11/514732211/obamacare-and-affor...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by mjevans on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:18PM (#34120142)
I can. People are so focused on not disenfranchising voters (like actually happened / might still happen against marginalized segments of the population), that they don't wonder, what is _empowering_ a citizen as a voter?

I DO support a basic civics and mathematics test, on a recurring basis, for voters. HOWEVER, that's only with the catch that failing or opting out of the test creates benefits designed to encourage the citizen to pass the test in the future. A benefit like, access to public education to work on that math skills and civics awareness. Or possibly someone is disabled (often silently, dementia is a real issue!) and the voter tests might be one of the places it's discovered.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ownlife on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:35AM (#34124627)
A democracy is not a system of government in which the government's power derives from the people who know calculus. It a system wherein power comes from the people, period.

Also, literacy tests were ruled unconstitutional in Oregon v. Mitchell.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by mjevans on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:14AM (#34136036)
Please do not put words in my mouth. Calculus is currently an AP / college subject, not a required public education one.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ownlife on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:37PM (#34142164)
Fair enough.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ransom1538 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:33PM (#34120297)
"The national uninsured rate in the United States has reached an all-time low of 8%". Given this, I would say 92% US citizens don't care. Most people get insurance from work, family or are of the 120 million Medicare/Medicaid patients. If you are in another country reading our news - we would look like idiots, but, in reality 92% of the country is insured.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by quadrifoliate on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:30PM (#34121800)
> Given this, I would say 92% US citizens don't care.

That's what is so mind-boggling to me.

The US as a whole spends more on healthcare than any other OECD country, and the fact that most people in the electorate don't care about this is kind of depressing.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by GeneralMayhem on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:17PM (#34155787)
The ACA made life much, much better for people who are insured. Most of what the ACA did was tell insurance companies that they had to actually pay for things once in a while - e.g., getting rid of "preexisting condition" excuses - so that their product would be just a bit more predictable and less of a scam.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by scarface74 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:48PM (#34122441)
Or a senior citizen on Medicare complaining about they don’t want government run healthcare.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by pyuser583 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:45PM (#34124021)
The Democrats were absolutely massacred for passing it in 2010.

Even Massachusetts elected a Republican Senator!

Even now I don’t think the Democrats gain much from bringing it up,

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by GeneralMayhem on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:26PM (#34118917)
>They had full control and could have legalized it

That's not how the Senate works. A 50-50 "majority" is not full control.

In any case, it's pretty silly to blame the party that's on your side for not being able to overcome the bad-faith obstructionism of the opposing party. It's not about political "footballs", it's about having finite time and public attention to be able to get things done. If every single fight has to be dragged into the public to shame the other side into taking a few minutes off from looting and pillaging, then you have to prioritize and pick the optimal time for each battle.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:40PM (#34119054)
Yes, the current fillibuster rules require a 60-40 supermajority to get anything done, but the fillubuster rule itself can be changed with a simple majority of 50%+1. But the incentive structure is not there to actually change this rule -- both parties benefit from it.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by wyldfire on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:59PM (#34119256)
> both parties benefit from it.

Is that really the case? It is a bias towards the status quo.

Regardless, IMO the constituents represented by those parties don't benefit from it.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by BurningFrog on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:38PM (#34119699)
> It is a bias towards the status quo.

Not a fan of the status quo, but with two largely insane parties fighting for power, I'm thankful for moderating forces.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by bobthepanda on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:20PM (#34119517)
There are “kingmaker” senators in both parties that cross the aisle occasionally, that this rule benefits (and also generally their specific constituents, since their outsize influence gets them more than they might otherwise get in negotiations.)

Given that these kingmakers are what causes things to go over 50-50 they want to preserve their power.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by rewgs on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:05PM (#34119341)
> both parties benefit from it.

> It is a bias towards the status quo.

These are the same thing.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by wonderwonder on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:28PM (#34120245)
I've decided to actually base my vote on the status quo now. I want divided government because of how radicalized both parties have become. If something is very important, it will get votes from both parties. The current status quo is better than what either party wants
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by doktorhladnjak on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:40PM (#34120872)
If a majority of senators did not benefit from having the filibuster, they would repeal it. The minority party is for it because it blocks the majority party. Moderates are for it because it protects them from having to go on the record by voting on controversial issues.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by Me1000 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:08PM (#34120609)
That’s also not how the Senate works. Senators are beholden to their respective constituencies, not the party of which they’re a member. A conservative Democrat from West Virginia has more job security when he runs against his party sometimes.

Blaming the party rather than individual Senators is not a helpful way of looking at the problem.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by HDThoreaun on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:51PM (#34121432)
As much as manchin likes to say, democrats do not benefit from the filibuster. Tons of Republican issues are single issue nonsense that the majority of the country would detest if passed, so republicans rely on the filibuster to just not do anything. Forcing republicans to actually pass laws would be good for democrats politically.

The filibuster continues to exist because it gives people like manchin compete power, so the most moderate of each party will always try to keep it alive.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by UnpossibleJim on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:36PM (#34119681)
>>In any case, it's pretty silly to blame the party that's on your side<<

Not to be a complete downer, but there is so much special interest money involved in our political system, neither the Democrats or the Republicans are on your side. They are both on the moneyed interest side. These political footballs are, for the most part, to string along voters on "hot button" issues to keep the public disinterested on the numerous things that these parties actually agree on, like expanded military spending, global expansionism, corporate tax reduction, lessening monopoly laws, reducing banking restrictions, reducing spending on interstate infrastructure, cutting education spending and restricting the ability for fair and equal elections through redistricting. All of these (and more I can't think of) are bipartisan efforts.

Sorry... I shouldn't watch the news. It's a bummer =)

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by GeneralMayhem on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @07:14PM (#34155764)
If you believe in cannabis legalization, which is what this thread is about, then one party is very obviously on your side on that issue, and one is very obviously not. But sure, let's go through the list, just for fun.

> expanded military spending

Democrats don't really vote for this, certainly not to the same degree, but sure, I wish there were more difference.

> global expansionism

Vague to the point of meaninglessness.

> corporate tax reduction

Definitely not the same. Democrats recently pushed for a minimum corporate tax (https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-corporate-tax-plan-th...).

> lessening monopoly laws

Also vague, but not generally true. Democrats will vote for actual antitrust legislation; they won't vote for the Republicans using "anti-trust" as a meaningless scare-word to bash businesses they don't like for unrelated reasons.

> reducing banking restrictions

Maybe in the 90s, but not recently. Who wrote the Dodd-Frank Act, and who repealed it?

> reducing spending on interstate infrastructure

Vague, but not generally true. There are a bunch of major transportation projects (e.g. California HSR, DC's Purple Line) that have been held up for ages because Democrats will vote to fund them and then Republicans will take it away, or because it's impossible to get Republican states/counties to pay their fair share. For telecomms, Democrats will tend to push more for equitable-access programs, whereas Republicans will frame corporate tax cuts as "infrastructure spending" as long as some infrastructure-related companies benefit. Go look at the numbers and priorities in the 2021 infrastructure bill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_...), which passed on mostly party lines, and tell me the parties agree on cutting infrastructure spending.

> cutting education spending

Laughably false. Go look at the per-student education budget per state. (Federal DoE spending YoY is kind of weird because it's washed out by college loan financing; most direct spending on education is at the state level.)

> restricting the ability for fair and equal elections through redistricting

Seriously, you're going to sit there and argue, in the year 2022, that the parties are the same on election fairness? The fact that the Democrats don't aggressively gerrymander is why they don't currently hold the House - the New York legislature could have chopped up Long Island differently to stem the losses. More generally, Democrats consistently vote for protecting ballot access, against Republicans who nakedly want to make it more difficult to vote - and that's setting aside the whole armed-insurrection-to-overthrow-an-election thing, which, last I checked, 90% of the Republican party will still fall in line for.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by coffeebeqn on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:52PM (#34119860)
I believe the FDA could de schedule it?
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by gamegoblin on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:54AM (#34118586)
It does suck, but it's what the system of democracy we currently have incentivizes.

I've kind of become a bit of a voting reform absolutist for this reason. Publicly funded elections, get rid of first-past-the-post plurality voting (and replace with approval, ranked choice, anything really), electoral college reform, Wyoming rule, etc.

If these problems were fixed, the incentives to solve the other problems are much more aligned.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by ratorx on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:36PM (#34120334)
I think the problem is more fundamental than that. There’s no mechanism in the system for feedback on improving the system itself because it would disadvantage the people who have been elected by the current system (since those are the people that have figured out how to exploit it the best).

The only current method would be to somehow convince the people in power that they will need to overhaul the system to stay in power in the future. But that’s not gonna happen because the existing loopholes are so massive (e.g. gerrymandering), that they can basically guarantee that anyway.

It’s also not a policy issue, and it feels weird to vote for it (or vote for people who promise it), because it’s not a direct thing that will affect your daily life and is more second order than that.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by Spooky23 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:54PM (#34120998)
You’re right. The federal system is designed to blunt the mob.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:39PM (#34122386)
What’s the Wyoming rule?
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by human_person on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:17PM (#34122653)
The Wyoming Rule is a proposal to increase the size of the United States House of Representatives so that the standard representative-to-population ratio would be that of the smallest state, which is currently Wyoming (copied from Wikipedia)
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by chiefalchemist on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:34PM (#34119002)
Similar is true of abortions. The majority/control was there - more than once - and despite knowing Roe v Wade was on shifting sands the Dems refused to act. The issue empowers The Politics Industrial Complex but does little to work for We The People.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/im-your-biggest-fan/

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by dragonwriter on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:40PM (#34122388)
> Similar is true of abortions. The majority/control was there - more than once - and despite knowing Roe v Wade was on shifting sands the Dems refused to act.

Act how?

Unlike marriage (where the FFC clause gives Congress an explicit power), the “codify Roe” refrain was always hollow since without Roe being a 14th Amendment right there is no real Constitutional argument for authority for federal codification.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:31AM (#34128545)
I don't know the particulars but the current POTUS did come out and promise a codified response. Other reports at the time also implied proactive action could have been taken.

This was simply yet another issue that was intentionally managed to benefit The Politics Industrial Complex.

Note: I don't consider HuffPost to be a beacon of journalism. It's simply the top of the SERP. I'm confident better have reported the same.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-codify-roe-v-wade-congr...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by kapildev on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:14PM (#34120100)
>They had full control and could have legalized it.

Them having full control wasn't enough.

Democrats passed it in the House and all Democratic Senators supported it in the Senate. However, Republicans killed it because Democrats wanted the Omnibus bill to pass for which support from Mitch McConnell was necessary. Mitch McConnell was opposed to this Cannabis bill.

Link: https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3782514-marijuana-advocat...

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by anon84873628 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:50PM (#34120449)
Really we should blame all the executive administrations for not forcing the DEA to do their job properly. Keeping cannabis as a Schedule 1 is completely scientifically unjustified. There was already an existing legal framework available to legalize the drug. But since the DEA/FDA is so corrupt, we have to fall back to checks & balances available in the states and Congress.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by janalsncm on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:17PM (#34120687)
Vast majority of cannabis arrests are at the local level. Even a federal legalization law would not stop that.
Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by pstuart on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:18PM (#34121172)
We should be legalizing (and regulating/taxing) all drugs. The DEA is obviously incentivized to fight this as that would kill their raison d'être.

The War on Drugs has effectively brainwashed most people to think that the best way to control "dangerous" drugs is to make them illegal.

And the politics of this is that were the Dems to try to do this then the GOP would campaign on the Dems trying to give drugs to kids like candy.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by pyuser583 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @10:49PM (#34124048)
The whole Schedule business is pure propaganda.

The DEA regularly describes it as dangerousness: “Schedule I is the most dangerous!”

But it’s not dangerousness, it’s whether there is a medical use.

Marijuana didn’t have a medical use, because it’s not very powerful. It makes you feel dizzy and hungry. If it was a drug, spinning around in circles would he schedule I.

Heroin is powerful enough to be a legit pain killer, so it’s Schedule II.

This really is a case of reporters not doing their job.

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by janalsncm on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:15PM (#34120676)
> political football

That’s what a democracy is. Democracies aren’t nicer places to live because our politicians are nice people. It’s because our interests happen to align with those of politicians. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

CGP Grey had a nice video on this, which I plagiarized for the comment above:

https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs

Re:Cannabis is legal in most America but federal laws block ... by refurb on Saturday December 24, 2022 @11:43PM (#34124338)
“Do the right thing” has no absolute answer in a nation of 330M.

Every decision will result in some people supporting you and others working to kick you out of office.

If you don’t tread carefully you won’t be in power long.

It has nothing to do with the American system and everything to do with democratic representation in government.