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Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by eduction on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @08:17AM (#34080311)
This feels like Apple decided iPad needed a “killer app” and worked backwards from there to actually make the app. Notice the iPad is in the center of the picture at the top of the announcement, and Apple Pencil (iPad accessory) is called out as working especially well with this.

My personal opinion is this is unlikely to work and that the reason iPad lacks a “killer app” is largely because the app ecosystem is too dysfunctional for one to emerge organically from third party ecosystems. Because the iPad is a more powerful platform than iPhone, and (especially) because people’s “session times” tend to be longer on iPad vs iPhone, you need to invest more to make a good iPad app. On the iPhone it’s enough to save people a little time vs the web and connect them more readily to a service while mobile (Uber, Instagram, Amazon, etc)

iPad offers the chance to do something much deeper. But there is so much more risk — will people pay higher prices (App Store price expectations are lower than desktop), will Apple approve the app, will it get noticed in the store amid all the crap. Are the APIs powerful enough to make what you want to make. Etc.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by jamesdf on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @08:27AM (#34080425)
I'd suggest that for a lot of users, Procreate is the closest thing to a "killer app" that's iPad only and emerged organically from a third party.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by fishtoaster on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @08:43AM (#34080607)
I'd second this.

I'm an hobby artist and have played with various drawing programs on the ipad (and gone through a few mid-level wacom tablets before that) and Procreate is simply amazing. It's an app that couldn't exist without the ipad and it massively increases its usefulness. Procreate is good enough that I don't feel the need to bring any further art supplies (even a sketchbook and pencils) when traveling.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by nickthegreek on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:00AM (#34081526)
Procreate is on everyone's iPad I know. I kinda blows my mind how affordable that app is. People would definitely pay 2-3x more or a yearly sub for it.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by asciii on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:23AM (#34081817)
I am very scared of Adobe buying it like Figma and doing that to it
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by aklemm on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:33AM (#34090179)
Did they ruin Figma already?
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by michelb on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:39AM (#34091994)
What has Adobe done to Figma?
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Mezzie on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:55AM (#34083152)
Procreate and Goodnotes for me.

Using the Apple Pencil with either app gives me the benefits of analogue work and the benefits of digital work. Handwriting helps me remember things, but since the product is digital, it's trivial to move/undo/etc.

And Procreate + Apple Pencil is way better than any other art solution I've found for digital art. Granted I've never tried a drawing tablet with a screen, but an extremely cheap option is still $200. For one that works as well as the AP + iPad you'd probably be looking at near the same price point.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by 2fast4you on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:36PM (#34087317)
For me, it's Shapr3D. It has the most intuitive CAD interface I've ever used and it's all based around the pencil. Pretty killer app, especially if you have a 3D printer.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by digdugdirk on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:38PM (#34089493)
I've seen some clips of it in action, and it seems like magic. What do you use it for?
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by biztos on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:02AM (#34081541)
For anyone who makes art, absolutely. I even use Procreate for brainstorming sometimes, because it's so much faster and more intuitive than any other app I've used.

Another thing that IMO is way better on iPad/Pencil is PDF editing and annotation. I happily pay for a subscription to PDF Expert[0] and I just use it for school.

[0]: https://pdfexpert.com

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Mezzie on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:56AM (#34083163)
Yeah, I bought my iPad for grad school because I was reading and annotating copious amounts of PDFs.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by ask_b123 on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:28AM (#34081900)
For a few users, music sheet apps are also killer apps.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by gandalfgreybeer on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:28AM (#34081905)
I don’t really draw so I haven’t used it as much as I wanted to but that was one purchase that I never regretted. Also helps that it’s not subscription type. To this day anytime someone gets an iPad, I make them try the app.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by jensensbutton on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:22PM (#34085907)
Why did you buy it then? How could you not regret spending money on something you don't use?
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by filoleg on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:18PM (#34087145)
They said they use it, just not much.

And given that it was a non-pricy one-time purchase, and not a subscription, why would they regret it? The cost per hour of usage is only going to keep decreasing over time for them, as long as they keep using it in some capacity occasionally.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by coldtea on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:58PM (#34087515)
It's like $5. Even if you don't use it, you can tell it's a great app, updated often for free, etc. I've regretted apps I've paid $5 and $10 for and were crap, or baited me and turned to subscriptions etc. Procreate is not that.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by argc on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @07:47PM (#34088331)
Why do you need to regret spending money if you don't use what you spent it on?
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by gandalfgreybeer on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:47PM (#34101812)
Because I was using it to practice making digital art which I just don’t have time for right now. I use it to make Christmas cards and doodle probably 5x in a year.

I don’t regret it because I can see that what I paid for is worth the value of the app despite not using it as much.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by alfiedotwtf on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:58PM (#34087506)
This. I was sad when FiftyThree's Paper was made subscription :(
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Jack_rando_fang on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:41AM (#34092380)
Also worth checking out https://www.goodnotes.com Everyone in my school(including the teachers!) uses it for assignments and textbooks
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Maursault on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @08:26AM (#34080411)
> the reason iPad lacks a “killer app”

You're just hugely mistaken. iPad has several killer apps, but the one that is probably the most important is Safari, followed by Mail, followed by Maps (and Google Earth), followed by a combination of Camera and Photos, followed by a tossup between Contacts and Calendar, then Books, Reminders, etc. That these applications are not original doesn't matter. The tablet form-factor and iPadOS platform makes them all earth-shattering for anyone who has previously been tied to a desktop or laptop with a conventional OS. Prior to iPhone, it was as it is today in that most computer users were not power users. They used web, email, and consumed media. iPad does all that better than anything that came before. It's annoying for more complicated tasks, but it does web, personal email and displays media better really than anything else available.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by oblio on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @08:49AM (#34080685)
For email, I assume you mean reading emails or using the external keyboard?

Software keyboards suck for writing longer texts.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by makeitdouble on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @09:53AM (#34081428)
Those are ‘killer apps’ compared to the phone for instance.

I played a bit with an old chromebook we bought for our kid’s school a while ago, and the browsing experience is definitely better than on my iPad Pro. Having actual arbitrary window management, tabs don’t get lost between the instances, video can actually play in the background, extensions work. The list just goes on and on.

I still prefer the iPad for reading long form and comics, but as the Kindle app is crippled, the overall experience isn’t that far either.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by thesuperbigfrog on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:04AM (#34081562)
>> iPad has several killer apps, but the one that is probably the most important is Safari, followed by Mail, followed by Maps (and Google Earth), followed by a combination of Camera and Photos, followed by a tossup between Contacts and Calendar, then Books, Reminders, etc. That these applications are not original doesn't matter. The tablet form-factor and iPadOS platform makes them all earth-shattering for anyone who has previously been tied to a desktop or laptop with a conventional OS.

None of those are killer apps.

A killer app is an application that is so unique and so useful that it sells the hardware:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_application

Web browsers, mail clients, maps / navigation, camera software, photo software, contacts management, calendaring, ebooks, and todo list / reminders software are available on iOS, MacOS, Android phones and tablets, Windows desktops and tablets, and even Linux desktop environments.

Are you really saying that the iPadOS version of those applications is so superior to any of the other competitors that people buy iPads just to use the iPadOS versions?

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by blowski on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:57PM (#34086292)
Before the iPad came out - when Michael Arrington at TechCrunch was talking about the "CrunchPad" - the dream app was a browser. People were talking about laying on the sofa reading the news, watching videos, checking emails - without the bulkiness of having to interact with a keyboard.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by desiarnezjr on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @04:36PM (#34086718)
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by ojkelly on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:12PM (#34087631)
I’d definitely agree with the parent comment that Safari is one of the iPads killer apps.

Safari on a 12.9” iPad is like having an ergonomic MacBook browser. It’s powerful enough to render almost everything the web has (save for chrome specific experiments).

But as mentioned above the killer application isn’t software, it’s the form factor. While I have a decent TV, most of the video content I watch is on my iPad. It’s just more convenient.

To add one more, iOS is powerful but simple enough that I’ve recommended an iPad to most older people I know. They can do almost everything they need on it, and neither of us have to worry about it getting into a bad state like a desktop PC can.

And for most of them, the main thing they use on it is the browser.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Maursault on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:03AM (#34093309)
> Are you really saying that the iPadOS version of those applications is so superior to any of the other competitors that people buy iPads just to use the iPadOS versions?

It isn't just these applications providing all too common functionality, it is the application centric iPadOS that makes them more than the sum of their parts, also. Apple's implementation of iPadOS and their tablet implementations of these common applications cause each to rise to the level of killer app, and, definitely, beyond all doubt, massively drive sales of the hardware just to use those particular yet common apps in Apple's implementations of them on a tablet. There's no great reason Android on third-party tablet, or whatever is running on Amazon's tablets, can't achieve the same, but they simply haven't. Android more or less sucks. Apple sucks, but with iPadOS + tablet app implementations, much much less.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by whywhywhywhy on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:18AM (#34081742)
> Safari, followed by Mail, followed by Maps (and Google Earth)

MacBook does all these better and the rest of your list too with the exception of Camera, which the iPhone does better.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Jcowell on Friday December 23, 2022 @03:40PM (#34110365)
Disagree. there are cases where safari on a Portable tablet is far better than Safari on a MacBook that I have to lung around. It just feels better walking around with a light weight but good size tablet for basic web browsing. The form factor of touch is superior for maps and mail
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by JKCalhoun on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:58AM (#34082349)
To me, yours is a strange ordering. I would have thought (i)Books would be #1.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by chrisandchris on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @08:22AM (#34080367)
Probably, yes.

And they added an incredibly dumb limitation: You cannot use any pen tablet (e.g. a wacom tablet) on Freeform for OS X. Drawing with a pen is only supported on iOS.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Arubis on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @08:29AM (#34080448)
Yep, this has kept me from recommending Freeform. Popped it open when it appeared, broke out my tablet, realized it was useless, reopened Notability.app.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by FeloniousHam on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @12:37PM (#34083741)
I won't argue whether it this app should allow drawing from a pen tablet, but there are exactly none of you left. (I have owned three pen tablets in my life).

If it's free-from-Apple, the software is there to drive or enhance hardware sales.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by ubercow13 on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:46PM (#34087917)
Really? Are you saying professional drawing tablets have been completely replaced with iPads?
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Aaron2222 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:51AM (#34092071)
I noticed the same with the annotation tools in Preview, despite drawing tablets on macOS being exposed to apps through Apple APIs.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by Tagbert on Thursday December 22, 2022 @02:01PM (#34097053)
You can’t do any “freeform” drawing on Freeform on Mac OS. You can only use the pen tool for vector lines and splines. There is no pencil/marker tool.

I understand that a mouse or trackpad are not the best tools for drawing but many of us have used them for that since the original MacPaint app in 1984. Why remove this feature from the Mac version? Let alone for someone with a pen-based tablet.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by nc on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @09:44AM (#34081313)
Yeah it makes a great demo! But perhaps they also looked at the success of Miro & Figjam and realised a whiteboard is an essential part of Pages, Numbers, and Keynote suite?
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by reaperducer on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:45AM (#34082151)
iPad lacks a “killer app”

It does have a killer app: The form factor.

Lots of devices do lots of things that the iPad does. But they all have screens that are too small, or keyboards, or other things that make them too thick.

ipadOS apps aren't as powerful as computer programs, but they're good enough. And when combined with the iPad's form factor and simplicity, there's a reason that — according to Wikipedia — Apple's sold a half-billion of them.

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by chillaxtian on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:08PM (#34087033)
That's strange, the form factor is the worst part for me.

There is no comfortable position to use an iPad in. In bed you're craning your head over, or propping it on your raised thighs. The keyboard cases are flimsy or super heavy.

I love the user interface on the iPad, it looks the best of iPhone, iPad, and Mac. But a MacBook is so much more ergonomic than an iPad.. :(

Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by nequo on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:09PM (#34087603)
This is true. One place where the iPad’s form factor beats a laptop’s is the kitchen counter. It takes up less space but still gives a decently sized screen. Another is when reading PDFs in vertical orientation. It is very close to the experience of reading a printed sheet of paper.
Re:Apple launches Freeform: a powerful new app designed for ... by joshspankit on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:41AM (#34105656)
> ... because the app ecosystem is too dysfunctional

I suggest that it’s even deeper than that. By dragging the iPad kicking and screaming in to the “pro” demographic, Apple has killed the very thing that made it compelling for “killer apps” in the first place: it’s focus on your app.

“When you open an app it becomes [whatever that app tells it to]” - My very rough paraphrasing of Steve Jobs during the original iPad era

When was the last time you could use an iPad for a single task without having to be precious about multi-touch gestures, and without notifications interrupting you? What ‘killer app’ can serve the now-fragmented demographics while also competing with everything else trying to steal your attention while you’re using it?