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Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by pcurve on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @03:48PM (#34072307)
What a dilemma. Is she aware of how she acts when she's off medication? Has she seen herself act this way on video?
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by runnerup on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @03:55PM (#34072402)
That won’t help. There’s hundreds of thousands (nearing or exceeding a million) people like this in the USA alone. If that worked, it would be widely practiced.

These mental illnesses break the ability of an individual to choose to do what’s best in terms of medication, treatment, and lifestyle. The illness makes one not want to be properly medicated.

Someone can be consistent with their treatment and lifestyle for many months, but it just takes one trigger and a couple days off medications to lose all progress.

Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kdmccormick on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:09PM (#34072599)
> That won’t help.

While I agree with the rest of your comment, I want to gently challenge this specific statement, as someone who has to take a powerful med (lithium) to avoid relapsing into mania with psychosis.

I was so extremely reluctant to regularly take meds, and lapsed in and out of mania for a few years. The main thing that got me to stick with lithium, and a major driver in me staying on them today, is grokking how deeply destructive mania is to all the relationships and other good things in my life.

I'm not saying we should shame mentally ill people, but part of treatment should be helping them understand & agree that permanent treatment is in their own best interest. Easier said than done, of course... it took years for me.

Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by abracadaniel on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @10:57PM (#34076463)
Thank you for sharing these insights. The whole problem space feels so intractable, and all options seemingly inhumane in their own ways, so it’s very helpful to hear from someone whose had success working though it.
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by guerrilla on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:11PM (#34072636)
> The illness makes one not want to be properly medicated.

The medications do that too. The side-effects are horrific.

Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kayodelycaon on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:07PM (#34072567)
I doubt this would work. When a neurotypical person is confronted with their actions, you usually get one of four results:

1. Justify what they did.

2. Dismiss it.

3. Ignore it.

4. Deny it happened.

Note that change their behavior isn't on that list. :(

Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kdmccormick on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:12PM (#34072647)
This is such a defeatist attitude.

I'm bipolar I, and I take lithium for it. Being confronted with my actions over and over and over and over again was a big part of what got me to start taking meds.

Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kayodelycaon on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:42PM (#34073053)
The over and over is important. A lot of people do get the hint eventually. It's hardly as simple as showing a video.
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kdmccormick on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:48PM (#34073124)
True. Fair enough.
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by Melatonic on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:22PM (#34073568)
What kind of lithium do you take? I have heard that the prescribed doses can be pretty sedating or brutal but there are also people advocating for very tiny doses of lithium in a different form that is similar to what is found in some natural wells. Could be completely pseudoscience but it seemed interesting
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kdmccormick on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:38PM (#34074500)
Lithium carb pills, at the lower end of the standard therapeutic range. There are a range of side effects, luckily for me not severe enough to impact my day to day--the most noticable one is just being thirsty all the time. We'll see if that stays true as I age, though... kidney damage is a big risk down the road.

And yup, there's some newer research about the long term benefits such as lowering alzheimer's risk, which is a nice silver lining :) My doctors have mentioned it, so probably not pseudoscience.

Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by hdlothia on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:49AM (#34079011)
They are not talking about the patients. Bipolar ppl are neurodivergent
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kdmccormick on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:31AM (#34081953)
I took their comment as "nt people don't usually change so why would you expect nd people to?" and I wanted to point out that nd people can indeed change, regardless of whether nt people can.
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kbelder on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:30PM (#34073657)
>neurotypical

You mean the opposite of that?

Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by kayodelycaon on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:56PM (#34074005)
No, I meant neurotypical. I guess I could have said "normal" or "average". It's also culturally dependent, so maybe I should have just said Americans.
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane? by bell-cot on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:17PM (#34072712)
My understanding is that she is relatively aware. I don't know about the video part.