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Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complainsome grumpy person”?

I started reading HN fairly recently, the posters here struck me as having a different distribution of recurring (non-technical) vocabulary that is quite different from other platforms.

I think that besides the obvious age distribution factor, the spectrum of social scenarios more frequently encountered by the HN demographic probably also contributes to certain common situations or stereotypes promoting/stimulating the use of more apt descriptions for them, whereas for those who less frequently encounter them there would be no occasion to dig out a dictionary word from memory to describe it.

For example, there seems to be a particular adjective that sees pretty frequent usage, used to label “grumpy jaded programmer being unnecessarily complain-some or dismissive of new ideas”, which I only learned because of repeated occurrence on HN, but the actual word seems to escape me. I remember that it seems to be not too dictionary-obscure of a word, just that there seems to fewer occasions that calls for it in other online conversations.

What is the first word that comes to your mind when describing such a person?

( 47 comments | 3 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by Veen on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:40AM (#34064101)
Whinger.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by liveduo on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:54AM (#34063808)
From wikipedia:

Torvalds sarcastically quipped about the name git (which means "unpleasant person" in British English slang): "I'm an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First 'Linux', now 'git'."

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by ihatepython on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:29AM (#34064451)
He should have chosen 'Freax', it's a much better name
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by reducesuffering on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:06AM (#34063876)
grouch
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by PuffinBlue on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:48AM (#34064159)
Curmudgeon, Naysayer, Grouch
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by xeonmc on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:53AM (#34064199)
> Curmudgeon

That's it. Thanks.

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by bartread on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:30AM (#34064464)
Just be aware that, at least in British English, whilst "curmudgeon" can be used in an exclusively negative sense, it can also carry some "cuddlier" overtones and be used as something of a term of endearment.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by sam_lowry_ on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:36AM (#34064520)
> Curmudgeon

How sexist! Curmudgeon / termagant.

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by SanjayMehta on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:01AM (#34064252)
That's a fancy way of saying "realist."
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by boredhedgehog on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:57AM (#34064233)
Not an adjective though.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by arethuza on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:15AM (#34064344)
curmudgeonly?
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by formerly_proven on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:49AM (#34064165)
Contrarian
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by irjoe on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:50AM (#34064171)
curmudgeon
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by Tepix on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:51AM (#34064188)
old fart, pessimistic, realistic, comfort zone

slightly related: I like the definition of "programmer" at urban dictionary:

A person who is paid to professionally scream at a computer.

Programmer: "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-oh, it works."

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by bartread on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:31AM (#34064485)
> A person who is paid to professionally scream at a computer.

Sounds like that was probably written by somebody who used to work either with me, or with one or two of my former colleagues.

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by janmarsal on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:54AM (#34064207)
Hey, that's me!
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by DukeSanoj on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:55AM (#34064213)
Miesepeter, if you like to borrow from german
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by jgaa on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:56AM (#34064217)
intelligent ;)
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by Hamuko on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:58AM (#34064234)
Cantankerous. It's basically my nickname.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by kgwxd on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:01AM (#34064251)
Experienced
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by aquir on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:06AM (#34064292)
Goblin
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by sph on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:43AM (#34064574)
These days it's been superseded by the idea of "going full goblin" or "goblin mode"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goblin_mode

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by dr_dshiv on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:17AM (#34064360)
A Grump
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by mozman on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:18AM (#34064368)
Left-wing
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by jimkleiber on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:23AM (#34064405)
Crochety might also work.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by telebell on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:24AM (#34064415)
A kvetch. If you need a word for something/someone annoying, unreasonable, unpleasant, lazy, cantankerous or absurd, Yiddish is here for you.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by schwartzworld on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:32AM (#34064493)
I always learned kvetch to mean a complainer (or the act of complaining itself). I don't think this carries with it the implication that the person is unpleasant, much less lazy or absurd.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by katspaugh on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:29AM (#34064454)
In German, "Quatsch" means nonsense.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by FlyingSnake on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:42AM (#34064567)
I thought of the same word, Quatsch. The Yiddish word probably shares the same roots.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by captainmuon on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @07:04AM (#34064757)
I always thought it is related to "quetschen" (squeezing). A kvetsh is somebody who is being squeezed and winces or squeaks (and incidentally, to squeak=quietschen).
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by katspaugh on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @03:49PM (#34072324)
Oh, you’re absolutely right. Oxford dictionary says:

> 1960s: from Yiddish kvetsh (noun), kvetshn (verb), from Middle High German quetschen, literally ‘crush’.

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by dspillett on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @07:25AM (#34064925)
Yiddish has some of the best words for describing people and their mannerisms, some of which have been fully adopted by English, like klutz and (a little less common) chutzpah.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by lloydatkinson on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @08:10AM (#34065362)
TIL Yiddish has a word that accurately describes a majority of HN users
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by hprotagonist on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @10:34AM (#34067306)
I'm also fond of "[obdurate|inveterate] pedant"
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by quickthrower2 on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:28AM (#34064447)
Grinch
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by spencerchubb on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:30AM (#34064470)
Cynic
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by benrapscallion on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:34AM (#34064504)
I asked ChatGPT. Response: A person who unnecessarily complains and is grumpy might be described as a "grouch," "crank," "curmudgeon," or "grump." These words suggest someone who is habitually irritable and unhappy, and tends to complain or find fault with things unnecessarily.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by ineedausername on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:46AM (#34064595)
investor
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by kranner on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @07:07AM (#34064777)
disagreeable
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by stcg on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @07:08AM (#34064786)
In Dutch I would say 'zeurkous' (literally translated 'whiny stocking') meaning something like 'grouch'
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by dspillett on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @07:11AM (#34064816)
The act of always complaining or otherwise being difficult is often called being cantankerous, though there isn't a direct noun for that.

There are a few words that might fit what you are looking for, of which I think the best is “curmudgeon”, and for lexical flexibility you can act curmudgeonly or be curmudgeonous. I'm not sure that curmudgeonous is a “real” word, spellcheckers refuse it and I rarely if ever see it elsewhere, but I like it as it essentially means the same as cantankerous but with less of a sharp edge - the difference between just naturally being difficult (curmudgeonous) and actively trying to be difficult (cantankerous).

Both are often associated with older people more than younger, though in the fast moving world of tech you don't have to be very old to appear to have ancient views!

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by readthenotes1 on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @08:19AM (#34065452)
you're such a cantanker!
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by bovermyer on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @08:32AM (#34065602)
Nerfbait, if Nerf guns are allowed at the office.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by greggarious on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @08:35AM (#34065636)
ornery (comparative ornerier, superlative orneriest) (Appalachia) Cantankerous, stubborn, disagreeable.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ornery

Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by maverick66 on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @09:10AM (#34066087)
Somebody once called me irksome which I rather took as a compliment and I think is great for this definition.
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by mikewarot on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @09:36AM (#34066452)
I'm a crochety old grumpy greybeard, now get off my lawn! ;-)
Re:Ask HN: Preferred word to describe “Unnecessarily complai... by cassianoleal on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @08:50PM (#34075703)
Honestly, just call me by my name ffs...