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Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by twawaaay on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:39AM (#33998044)
I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world.

What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by axlee on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:02AM (#33998222)
You should care about his costly trips. As an individual, he is wrecking the environment at a rate a thousandfold of the average person.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by jamiegreen on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:28AM (#33998464)
As an individual, he has probably had net positive environmental impact than the next 1m people combined.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by arrrg on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:40AM (#33998604)
Jury‘s still out on that, mostly because it‘s still up for debate whether replacing gas cars 1:1 with electric cars is a good idea.

I don’t doubt that we actually need electric cars, the important question is just whether that’s all we need or whether we need other transformations (radically fewer cars and less space for cars in cities, for example).

This second goal is something Elon has actively worked against, for example with his Hyperloop bullshit.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by OnuRC on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:33AM (#33998524)
lets not talk about how he lead the electric car revolution, that's just a huge positive thing.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by gregoriol on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:31AM (#33998500)
Considering SpaceX, definitely not.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by itsoktocry on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:43AM (#33998638)
>As an individual, he has probably had net positive environmental impact than the next 1m people combined.

This is such a terrible mindset.

So we're going to allow the rich to do whatever damage they want to the environment, personally, if they construct widgets that are slightly less harmful than the next best widget?

It's this sort of hypocrisy that prevents people from buying in to the environmental movement: celebrities lecturing the rest of us while they don't alter their lifestyle one iota. The proletariat will never accept it.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by micromacrofoot on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:45AM (#33998665)
if you ignore spacex maybe
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by immmmmm on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:51AM (#33998746)
because sport EV for the rich is "net positive environmental impact"???
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by the_only_law on Thursday December 15, 2022 @10:50AM (#34001364)
> he has probably had net positive environmental impact than the next 1m people combined.

He probably could be this or that potentially

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by tamaharbor on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:18AM (#33998362)
Or a very small fraction of a volcano.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by pedrossmelo on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:23AM (#33998403)
Lmao "at least elon's jet is not a volcano"
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by TheLoafOfBread on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:28AM (#33998461)
You can say that about anyone, suddenly pollution is then non-issue.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by tamaharbor on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:48AM (#33999391)
We need to adapt to climate change, rather than try and stop it, which is probably impossible.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by Geezus-42 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @10:20AM (#34000841)
We need to do both. Change is coming, no stopping that, but how much change we can effect.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by oblio on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:25AM (#33998424)
> I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world.

> What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy.

Turns out, you should care about both. First of all, his private jet costs as much as a yacht, plus he doesn't own a yacht just because he rents them...

> While Musk famously owns a $70 million private jet, he hasn't sprung for a yacht of his own (unlike his space rival, Jeff Bezos). Instead, the group chartered a vessel — called Zeus which rents for over $7,000 a day.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-yacht-photos-greec...

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by jxf on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:39AM (#33998586)
Is it just me or does $7,000/day actually sound very cheap? That's the nightly rate of, say, the nicest suite in a top-end hotel.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by shapefrog on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:42AM (#33998623)
I think they have either the wrong boat or it wasnt a superyacht in the first place.

EUR 750k to 2mil per week is the sort of pricing I see for charter.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by eloisant on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:47AM (#33998689)
It's a 24 meters boat, for 20 people, which is really small compared to a billionaire yacht.

In comparison, Bezos' yacht is 127 meters long.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by ceejayoz on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:31AM (#33998498)
Renting yachts seems like a great mitigation to me. One yacht can service dozens of billionaires' 1-2 week vacations without sitting around in port useless 90% of the time.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by shapefrog on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:38AM (#33998582)
If it flies, floats or f**ks - rent it.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by twawaaay on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:15AM (#33999017)
You know what is the saying popular with skippers?

"If you buy your own boat you will only be happy twice in your life. On the day you buy it and then on the day you sell it."

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by twawaaay on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:30AM (#33999212)
He has a jet because, honestly, he is traveling constantly for his work. Call it a tax on running multiple large operations. Given his long work days I can see how the jet pays for itself many times over.

And renting a yacht for $7k is actually super cheap. I know people who spend more on champagne in a club in a single evening, and no, they are not billionaires.

Even if this yacht was rented 365 days a year, which I do not believe, this would be $2.5M / year.

Even if this absolutely worst case (I don't believe for a second that Elon is partying on the yacht for large part of the year) you could still rent it for literally hundreds of years and still not match the cost of just buying your own large yacht. Forget about insurance, maintenance and staffing costs.

If you want to pass judgment on what is and what is not frugality when it comes to billionaires, you need to expand your views a bit and stop thinking like a poor person.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by oblio on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:37AM (#33999293)
Dude, he also has a $70 million jet, which costs about as much as a yacht. Let's be honest here.

> If you want to pass judgment on what is and what is not frugality when it comes to billionaires, you need to expand your views a bit and stop thinking like a poor person.

Also :-)))

We're not talking poor here. We're talking "makes more money in 1 month than the richest lawyer you know" rich.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by twawaaay on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:42AM (#33999333)
> Dude, he also has a $70 million jet, which costs about as much as a yacht. Let's be honest here.

First, I am not your dude.

Second, please, read the comment before you respond. I addressed it.

$70M is a drop in the ocean when you are in tens of billions of dollars especially when it is your work tool that lets you move fast between locations and save couple of hours on each trip.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by oblio on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:50AM (#33999422)
> First, I am not your dude.

Maybe you are?

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by frob on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:28AM (#33999971)
Sure, but he's not your buddy, guy.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by i_like_apis on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:21AM (#33999861)
Chiming I here. “Dude …” is a dumb thing to say in a debate. Please take take that over to Reddit.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by twixfel on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:44AM (#34000244)
Also chiming in here, it's not a big deal at all to call someone "dude", because this isn't a formal debate, it's just a web forum.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by i_like_apis on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:37PM (#34002923)
… the steady decline of HN over the decades …
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by twixfel on Friday December 16, 2022 @03:52AM (#34012345)
The person complaining about saying "dude" already lowered the tone of the drasticaly debate by saying, apparently without a hint of irony, "stop thinking like a poor person." So I agree there's a lot of low quality, revolting posts here but the use "dude" doesn't really scratch the surface.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by oblio on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:47AM (#34000276)
> “Dude …” is a dumb thing to say in a debate.

Is it insulting?

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by i_like_apis on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:41PM (#34002991)
As a part of a retort in an argument, it’s similar to rolling one’s eyes. It’s also not substantive.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by jacquesm on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:46PM (#34006867)
No, but it is annoying and when in a debate it tries to distract and/or claim some kind of familiarity or higher ground.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by oblio on Friday December 16, 2022 @01:36PM (#34018291)
The comment I replied to had already lost any sort of higher ground at:

> stop thinking like a poor person.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by strken on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:04AM (#33999617)
It's kinda cool that 19 friends and I could take a day trip on Elon Musk's yacht for $350 each.

The last boat I rented charged $200 for a 2 hour session and had a capacity of 12 plus you had to drive it yourself, so his would be a definite step up, but it's pretty modest for a billionaire.