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Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by kevinmrose on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:08PM (#33928657)
This is pretty disgusting on Google's part if true. It sounds like they're only letting people rent domains then acting like a landlord who increases rent to match "market rates" when you renew the lease. Hopefully this is some sort of error, but somehow I doubt it.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by zx8080 on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:21PM (#33928758)
Isn't it how every market works?
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by deathanatos on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:39PM (#33928890)
The DNS namespace is global and shared. There's only one, really; I don't know if it is the best place for a [free] "market", as it isn't really free. Within reason, I can't start a competing DNS. The best I can do is choose another name … and still pray the price jacking doesn't happen.

The incentives here are perverse: the registry knows that changing domain names has a high switching cost; we should not have the "market" dynamics encouraging them to start, effectively, extorting domain owners. "That web presence you built up? It would be a shame if anything were to happen to it…"

I actually thought there were ICANN rules against this sort of thing.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by quickthrower2 on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:25PM (#33929567)
With so many TLDs, and the acceptance of domain hacks, e.g. usefennel.co (available lol!) if your name is fennel, I think there is plenty of competition.

The real estate analogy is good. Find a cheap town!

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by deathanatos on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @03:02AM (#33966041)
Coming up with a variant — like "usefennel" for "fennel", is covered in the comment you're replying to. You're still at the whim of the registry/registrar, if they start pulling this crap.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by layer8 on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:34PM (#33929222)
Imagine you’d have to pay $850 next year to keep your phone number.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by quickthrower2 on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:26PM (#33929573)
You probably would if it is a short one like 131313 in Australia (sure there are US equivalents)
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by Retric on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:26PM (#33928798)
Not everything is rented.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by shepardrtc on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:29PM (#33928832)
For now.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by userbinator on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:00PM (#33929398)
"You will own nothing, and be happy." -WEF
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by FpUser on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:37PM (#33928886)
And ever. At some point customers would simply revolt and flock to someone with mode meaningful business model
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by ehvatum on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:00PM (#33929018)
Someone tell that to Adobe and Autodesk.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by FpUser on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:58PM (#33929384)
I told Adobe to sod off long time ago and replaced all their products I was using with the ones that offer perpetual license.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by lupire on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:23PM (#33929153)
Yes, which is why markets need a land value tax paid out to the public.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by cowpig on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:54PM (#33928975)
What's being produced and who are the market actors here?
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by warbler73 on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:58PM (#33929385)
How does Google "own" this "market"?
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by davchana on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:17PM (#33928724)
Almost every registry does it (Google is one of them).
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by everfree on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:33PM (#33928857)
What other registry does this? I've never heard of this behavior before.

Typically the registry won't arbitrarily increase the renewal price of specific domains during a period of time where the domain is owned by the same individual. That seems like an incredibly scummy practice.

Domain names aren't something you can just "move out" of like housing if your landlord decides to increase the price one year by over 6000%. They represent identity, discoverability and trust. By arbitrarily increasing the renewal price like this, the registry is constructively repossessing your online identity. It's the same as if they suddenly took your domain from you and put it up for auction for their own benefit.

Registrars (not registries) can get away with increasing their prices, but that's different because you can always switch registrars to one that charges a lower markup over the registry. You can't switch registries without switching your domain name entirely.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by deathanatos on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:41PM (#33928900)
> like housing

… uh, it's not even possible to move out of that that easily, either. (Although a 6000% increase would certainly do it.) I think landlords are (also?) very much aware of switching costs in their yearly price uppings.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by Dma54rhs on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:44PM (#33928920)
Nsmecheap does with these new domains like .party etc. Not sure who is responsible for it, namecheap or whoever runs these new TLDs
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by agwa on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:49PM (#33928947)
Generally it's done by the company running the TLD (called the registry). Registrars like Namecheap generally can't pull these shenanigans and have to keep their markup reasonable because otherwise people will just transfer the domain to a different registrar which doesn't pull the shenanigans.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by everfree on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:59PM (#33929006)
You're saying that .party domain owners on Namecheap have seen the renewal price for their own domain shoot up compared to prior renewal prices?
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by chillfox on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:32PM (#33929199)
Namecheap does it, happened to one of my domains with them and now I can’t move it.

Amazon and Cloudflare does not as far as I know.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by ameliaquining on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:52PM (#33929347)
Namecheap and Cloudflare are registrars, not registries. Amazon does have a registry, but it only seems to offer a few gTLDs and I don't think they're especially popular (I think the biggest is .bot and it has some slightly weird eligibility requirements).
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by everfree on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:51PM (#33929333)
Do you mind sharing more details? And did you go to transfer the domain before or after the redemption period?
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by chillfox on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:58PM (#33930014)
Had the domain for a year and when it came time for renewal (1 month before expiry) it had been marked as premium and had a higher renewal price, so I tried to move it to several other providers only to be met with a “can’t move domain because it’s premium” error message everywhere I tried. So I paid the inflated price, moved everything to a different domain and setup redirects (obviously will not be renewing it again).
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by everfree on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:09AM (#33930074)
What TLD was it, if you don't mind me asking?
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by chillfox on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:23AM (#33930150)
The domain is brrr.biz I was going to use it for small fast services. Only thing on it at the moment is a “what’s my IP” lookup for use in scripts (https://fossil.chillfox.com/echo_ip/home) which I will just be hosting under my primary .com instead going forward.

I think I am done getting cutesy domains for projects and will just use subdomains going forward to avoid this kind of headache.

edit: One of the things I wanted to put on that domain was an ngrok like service targeting regions where ngrog is high latency, because I could really use that myself.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by Danieru on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:46PM (#33929297)
Can you explain more? I have a bunch of domains on namecheap and I thought I was paying a premium for trust....
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by chillfox on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:04AM (#33930045)
So did I, but after that experience I have been moving them to AWS instead.

So I had the domain for a year, I specifically went out of my way to find a domain that was not premium, but when it came time to renew it was marked as premium, and when I tried to move it I got error messages like “can’t move domain because it’s premium”.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by davchana on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:24PM (#33929159)
This game is as old as domains, or at least I knew it since 2005s.

.sbs registry has done it with my domain in 2021.

.xyz has done it another one of my domain few years ago.

None of my regular old tld domains, and cctld domains experienced it.

-footnote- I used to buy domains for my own use only, my family names & stuff, never for resale or business or anything.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by everfree on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:53PM (#33929350)
Do you mind sharing more details?

Did the registrar email you at some point to tell you that they are no longer able to renew your domain at the standard rate, because the registry determined it to be a premium domain?

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by davchana on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:53AM (#33930292)
Yeah sure.

I usually stay on top of my domains, I found the way higher price for .sbs & .xyz when trying to renew them, at different times.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by tsol on Friday December 09, 2022 @09:54PM (#33929361)
Sounds lucrative. I wonder what it takes to become a registrar
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by davchana on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:54AM (#33930295)
265 thousand non refundable fee + few months review process, as I was following the then-new gtld launches in 2011. May have increased now.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by IncRnd on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:10PM (#33929772)
It takes a few hundred thousand plus equipment and personnel.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by kevinmrose on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:23PM (#33928772)
GoDaddy never did this to me, I used to own a single keyword domain name which would definitely be considered "premium" and never paid more than ~$10 in renewal fees per year. GoDaddy has plenty of problems, but they never shook me down on domain renewals. I wouldn't expect it from Google, but I guess I'm just naive.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by xnx on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:27PM (#33928808)
Google has a monopoly on the .dev domain. GoDaddy doesn't have a monopoly on .com, .biz, .net, etc.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by agwa on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:42PM (#33928911)
This is an apples to oranges comparison.

Every TLD is operated by a registry that has a monopoly over that TLD. .dev's registry is Google. .com and .net's registry is Verisign.

GoDaddy is a registrar which resells domains from the registries. You can register .dev domains on GoDaddy just like you can register .com and .net domains.

The bulk of the registration fee goes to the registry. What keeps .com and .net prices reasonable is not that there's no monopoly - Verisign totally has a monopoly - but that Verisign's registry agreement with ICANN forbids this kind of pricing shenanigans whereas Google's registry agreement for .dev doesn't. But I'm sure that when Verisign's registry agreement is up for renewal they will try to renegotiate this.

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by not2b on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:58PM (#33929000)
Yes, someone has to run the official registry, so there's a choke point, unless there are rules in place to prevent abuse. For Verisign's management of .com there's a contract that limits their power. For the new vanity domains there often isn't, so I'm afraid that we will see a lot of this: a cheap price to register a domain, and then a whopping price increase to keep it.
Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by mikea1 on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:38PM (#33929638)
> GoDaddy doesn't have a monopoly on .com, .biz...

GoDaddy is the registry for .biz[0].

That is, GoDaddy was started as a registrar, but the company integrated vertically with a registry division, so it plays both roles now. This was approved by ICANN.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.biz

Re:Premium .dev domain with Google costs $850 by everfree on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:34PM (#33928863)
GoDaddy is a registrar (facilitator of domain purchases), not a registry (owner of a TLD).