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Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by rchaud on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:48AM (#33831111)
> Launched in June of 2021, it was billed as a buzzy new tech publication from prestigious venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz — and a way to sidestep the legacy media entirely and take the message of technological progress directly to readers.

Ah, the legacy media with their pesky questions. Why can't people just accept that Adam Neumann is a visionary, and that pay-to-earn crypto games are the future? Guess I'll have to start my own paper to set the record straight! /s

Despite the premium domain name (future.com), the site itself looks and reads like your typical Medium.com publication.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by treis on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:39AM (#33831920)
It's remarkable that despite being an avid HN reader this is the first time I've heard of future.com. Probably explains why they're shutting down.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by michaelteter on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:47AM (#33832057)
That's exactly what I thought!
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by ahartmetz on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:14AM (#33832459)
However, you have probably seen a few Andreessen Horowitz blog shitposts (sorry, this is the appropriate term given the bullshit density) about crypto scroll by on HN.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by maxbond on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:02PM (#33833186)
https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=future.com

A couple of these have significant engagement (one of them has 483 comments), but most have 1 or 2 points & 0 comments.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by zinekeller on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:51PM (#33833980)
I honestly thought that was Future plc (https://www.futureplc.com/; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_plc), a famous (and somewhat-notorious) owner of dozens of publications.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by ixtli on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:06AM (#33831414)
"If i were a coder in my 20s again, i know exactly where i would go work right now. what an incredible moment."
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by BobbyJo on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:09AM (#33831455)
If you're a coder in your 20's and you're not degrading yourself for the chance to be in the same room as a wealthy man that doesn't care an iota about you or your life, what are you even doing? /s
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by npkarnik on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:19AM (#33831623)
I'm a coder in my 30s now. But when I was a coder in my 20s, FWIW almost all the wealthy (male) investors I interacted with were not degrading towards myself and my peers FWIW. And the ones that were tended to be in their 20s or early 30s.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by MichaelZuo on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:27AM (#33831726)
And Gordon Gecko type characters are already pretty rare to begin with, especially in the Bay Area.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by p0pcult on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:47AM (#33832059)
The entire Bay Area is built around Gordon Gekko types. VC is Gordon Gekko. "Disruption" is the Schumpeterian hypercapitalist "creative destruction" that underlies Gekko's "greed is good" maxim.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by boc on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:35AM (#33832743)
In the Bay it’s about “Making the World a Better Place”, which is the all-important fig leaf to cover up the uncouth sin of hypercapitalist greed.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by p0pcult on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:49AM (#33832955)
Wish I had the power to upvote more than once.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by nradov on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:43AM (#33832872)
Gordon Gekko type behavior is pretty rare around the Bay Area in public. You'd be shocked to see how some top financiers and executives act in private among peers who can (supposedly) be trusted. The mask really comes off, especially after a few drinks and some recreational pharmaceuticals.

It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by MichaelZuo on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:56PM (#33835965)
Some degree of greediness, and other unattractive characteristics, displayed in private is to be expected in even the most virtuous figures.

What is unusual however are those who are consistently sleazy.

Nobody intelligent spends their time hanging out or working with likely backstabbers, if they have any other choice.

Which is why I feel confident in my assertion, even though I haven't personally inspected every private club and office in the region.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by googlryas on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:43AM (#33831990)
To be fair, OP said degrading yourself, not that they degrade you.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by halflings on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:13AM (#33832434)
+1, the most insulting people I've met were the young "entrepreneur" types, not older/accomplished/actually wealthy people.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by yamtaddle on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:55PM (#33834049)
The older and accomplished ones have nothing to prove and have been that way long enough that they've had a chance to grow out of old habits.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by ixtli on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:42AM (#33832848)
i am in my 30s now and in my 20s they were super nice to me. its just that in retrospect i see how that was a tactic to exploit me. and to be very clear i benefited from my relationships with them quite a bit! but a spade is a spade and luck had a lot to do with my exits. if i hadn't been so lucky they would have just exploited me without there being ends to justify the means
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by devmunchies on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:37PM (#33833763)
> they were super nice to me. its just that in retrospect i see how that was a tactic to exploit me

Omg. Then what isn’t exploitative?! There’s always a bit of a selfish motive in developing partnerships or friendships even.

This is next level victimization.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by yamtaddle on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:03PM (#33834186)
In this thread: HN fails to understand flattery, a behavior that features heavily in popular culture with a clear record in literature dating back 3,000+ years, and a heavily-covered topic in early childhood education since time immemorial.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by BobbyJo on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:52PM (#33834992)
What part of flattery did they fail to understand?
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by tough on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:59AM (#33833127)
Thanks for your reflections, certainly it's important to have in mind that VC's are innit for the money, which makes the world spin
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by BobbyJo on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:43PM (#33834842)
Also, it's survivorship bias, to a degree. Being nice is just as much tool as being smart, and you can wield it with intent that is just as malicious. Truly successful people have to wield many tools successfully, it's only natural that one of the easiest to master is commonly used.

You never know what people's intent is, and you should assume the best until proven otherwise, but like you say, a spade is a spade, and being nice is useful to the people being nice.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by BobbyJo on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:37PM (#33834744)
I wasn't trying to imply that Musk would do any degrading. He does however expect the employees to do it themselves, given the working hour expectations and minimal consideration for stability he's given Twitter's employees.

I say this as someone who sees nothing wrong for cranking out 60+ hour weeks of that's your thing.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by ixtli on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:12AM (#33831510)
hmmm you seem like the exact sort of chap i'd love to hire! plz send resume as well as a signed consent for the doors to be locked from the outside while you are inside the (mandatory) office!
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by dang on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:10PM (#33834307)
Please don't cross into personal attack on HN.

You may not owe wealthy men better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. The issue is what this sort of bile does to us, in our own community.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by BobbyJo on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:30PM (#33834636)
I recognize this as reactionary and low value, and will refrain from similar in the future. I fail to see how it is a personal attack, though. If you have the time (I know you're busy around here), the connection would be elucidating. I don't see lampooning a statement another has made as a personal attack on that person, especially when I'm attacking the content of the statement with no regard for its maker.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by dang on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:07PM (#33837599)
Asserting what a person "doesn't care about" in order to make them look bad strikes me as unduly pejorative and therefore an attack.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by BobbyJo on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:53PM (#33840030)
Ahh, so an attack on Musk as opposed to Marc. Makes sense. I wasn't intending to make Musk look bad with that statement, just pointing out what I believe to be the fallacy in Marc's viewpoint, but I get how your interpretation would be the common one. Thanks!
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by les_diabolique on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:40AM (#33831943)
But now that he's in his 50s, he knows better.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by sethd on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:16AM (#33832484)
Never take career advice from a conehead. They are aliens after all.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by gcanyon on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:49AM (#33832971)
When I was a coder in my 20s, one of my co-workers came back from some conference with a glossy flyer for a new game company startup. It had a lineup of people in various costumes: cowboy, astronaut, soldier. It said something like, "We're looking for superstar developers to create the next level in gaming. If that's you, come join us."

I sure wish I had paid more attention to that flyer for the fledgling Electronic Arts :-)

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by tough on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:01PM (#33833172)
Lol funny how EA was after 10x developers a while back already.

Gaming companies have fame to exploit coders though, probably EA stock makes it worth it if you were in it tho

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by gcanyon on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:06PM (#33834239)
Yep, exactly -- I had life emergencies that somewhat excuse my lack of foresight, but I can't help but think my life would be very different if I had joined EA back in...1982?
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by cxr on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:44PM (#33833867)
What does this quote refer to, where does it come from, and what message are you trying to convey by republishing it here?
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by peanuty1 on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:57PM (#33834086)
It's a tweet by Marc Andreessen about Twitter. https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1593864520815898626
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by BobbyJo on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:33PM (#33834672)
Twitter is firing people left and right, then bringing some back only to fire them again. Seemingly without direction. The only reason I could see Twitter being a good place to go for a young coder is the potential to work closely with Musk, as the environment, other staff, and problem set are all very unlikely to be beneficial for one's knowledge or career. I doubt Musk would invest much personal capital in a random young programmer, though Im open to being told I'm wrong there, as I recognize the media itself has a strong bias against him.

I'm honestly not sure what the basis was when this was posted.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by jgalt212 on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:25AM (#33831700)
Did they start this because Pando (which they were also funding) shut down?
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by sheepscreek on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:40AM (#33831931)
Pando shut-down? That’s a shame. They did some decent reporting, were my source of truth through my startup days (after TechCrunch sold to AOL, and it lost any credibility for me).
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by luckylion on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:04AM (#33832314)
Or, you know, because the "legacy media" had an order to shit on tech and not report neutrally: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473275 (except SBF, of course, they were allowed to praise him)

But no, of course, it was because they had "questions" and everything in tech is Adam Neumann and Theranos.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by ak217 on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:41AM (#33832830)
Deliver me from thin-skinned billionaires trying to bankroll their own sycophant "news media". Just because the NYT (which does not represent "legacy media" any more than a16z represents the tech industry) had a few editors and reporters with illusions of grandeur, doesn't give any credibility to the people with infinite money.

Compare this behavior with Jeff Bezos. For all his faults, he did something infinitely classier. He actually bankrolled a news organization that has a global presence and practices journalistic excellence - and did not try to meddle in its editorial policy beyond that (or if he did, it was so subtle as to be unnoticeable).

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by jakelazaroff on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:12AM (#33832422)
Four of the top five largest companies are tech companies. Tech is arguably the most powerful industry in the world. It has a huge impact on almost every aspect of our day-to-day lives.

The goal of journalism is to "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted", so why should publishers not take a critical stance toward some of the most comfortable people in the history of humankind?

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by luckylion on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:14PM (#33833382)
Journalists should always be skeptical of everything, but not default to opposition without cause. They shouldn't work under orders to paint a certain industry in a negative light without regard for what's actually happening, especially when there's a conflict of interest as players from that industry compete with their companies.

If there's something happening in tech that worthy of criticism, criticize it. If there's something worthy of praise, praise it. And for the rest: report it. Only presenting negative things is about as useful as only presenting positive things. But it feels more journalistic, "speaking truth to power" and all that. It's not, negativity just sells better.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by tough on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:56AM (#33833074)
Yeah, let's pretend that the VC coverage and legacy media coverage of for example, SBF recent debacle was stellar. Not saying VC's will fix this, but someone needs to.

There are good journalists out there, they just have been long fired from their news rooms and have accepted that the owners of the mass media are in control of the narrative.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:18PM (#33834428)
> they just have been long fired from their news rooms and have accepted that the owners of the mass media are in control of the narrative

The only useless stories on FTX I’ve seen has been through HN comments calling them out. The FT, Bloomberg (in particular, Matt Levine) and Journal have each called it a fraud from the beginning.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by uxp100 on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:04PM (#33835165)
Bloomberg has been been pro-crypto, and a friend to SBF in particular. Levine writes a great column, but he never called FTX a fraud (if you’re referring to the podcast episode that is well known, they were discussing other crypto businesses there, not FTX). In fact he has discussed how his basic assumption that SBF was competent and making money lead him astray. He didn’t consider the possibility that their trading strategies didn’t continue to work into the ‘20s, even though they were making statements on twitter that kinda indicated that they were simply long crypto and no longer successful with complex trades.

Levine wrote a whole enjoyable issue of Bloomberg about crypto that was moderately bullish! He thinks it’s kinda neat. That’s nowhere near the hype you hear from the bitcoin weirdos, but, you know, much more bullish than “a scam that should be made illegal,” which is also a mainstream take.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:20PM (#33835403)
> wrote a whole enjoyable issue of Bloomberg about crypto that was moderately bullish! He thinks it’s kinda neat

You may be missing the sarcasm. I think crypto is neat, intellectually. I also think it’s a scam, and everyone in it will lose money and reputation, but I’m not going to put one hundred percent confidence in that view.

These are mutually compatible opinions. Read Levine’s insider trading takes and see if you think he’s pro insider trading.

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by paulgb on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:22PM (#33835438)
Matt Levine is an opinion columnist, his job is to give commentary rather than to break news. Bloomberg overall has been pro-crypto (they have a crypto publication), but Levine's tone has always struck me as “finds it interesting but pretty skeptical of the real-world value”.

Here's a link to the (excellent) crypto story you mentioned: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2022-the-crypto-story/

Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by tough on Sunday December 04, 2022 @06:39AM (#33852714)
I was referring to the NYTimes and WaPo puff pieces fwiw
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by satvikpendem on Friday December 02, 2022 @11:59AM (#33833126)
The show Silicon Valley is still spot on with their satire. In the show there's a media outlet that writes badly about the company so they just outright buy the media outlet.
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by Analemma_ on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:13PM (#33833374)
This comment would seem a lot more insightful if the legacy media wasn't, at this very moment, giving Sam Bankman-Fried a wet sloppy one. Where, exactly, are the pesky questions?
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by JKCalhoun on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:01PM (#33835113)
I've only seen the negative articles/links. Am I missing the media that is still fawning over him?
Re:Andreessen Horowitz Tech Site Future.com Shuts Down, Staf... by mc32 on Friday December 02, 2022 @12:40PM (#33833796)
Yeah, I dunno. Doesn't seem like traditional media were very critical of crypto and more often than not tried to ride the wave of enthusiasm of each technological new thing. The only area traditional media were critical were areas that threatened their own existence and then they'd "huff, huff, long form journalism, huff huff, investigative journalism" but then we see such things as crypto scams and laptop scandals ignored and more often than not, if something was counternarrative it was labelled "disinformation" whatever it was.