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Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by sanitycheck on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:25PM (#33733837)
My process for getting usable results on Amazon (.co.uk, presumably the others too):

1. Search for thing

2. Filter by department (necessary for 3)

3. Filter by Seller: only Amazon

4: Filter by reviews: 4 stars+

5: Sort by price, Low > High

6: (Further filters as appropriate)

7: Look at only products with a high number of reviews

8: For every product, "See all reviews" and filter on "Verified purchase only" and "Show only reviews for {the product variant you're actually looking at}". Closely scrutinise 1 and 2 star reviews.

But sometimes even this _still_ doesn't get me quite what I want, because when an item is sold both by Amazon and a 3rd-party it can be sorted based on the non-Amazon price.

It does feel just a little like Amazon's goals might not be perfectly aligned with those of the customer.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by candiddevmike on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:38PM (#33733989)
I applaud anyone who leaves a non 5 star review, gets contacted by the company with bribes to make it 5 stars, and updates their review to report the company doing that.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by sanitycheck on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:53PM (#33734180)
I'm sure people do it, the bribes are probably not very good. Sadly the company can probably get Amazon to take down the review in that case.

Reviews for sellers themselves are a joke too, I was looking at some earlier today, via black friday deals. The number of reviews with a line through them and "Amazon takes responsibility for this fulfillment-related experience" was hilarious, when those reviews were things like "the motor doesn't work". I guess those then aren't included in the "90% positive" statistic.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by robryan on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:57PM (#33735561)
The seller could argue that it was damaged in transit. The whole thing would probably be luck of the draw in how their first level support in India chooses to apply guidelines.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by skinnymuch on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:49AM (#33752609)
Amazon would know that’s bullshit from the density of reviews and feedback on the product’s problems.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by webignition on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:16PM (#33734508)
I left a non 5 star review of an inexpensive Pixel 4 case. The case was too close around the flash resulting in the flash reflecting off the case resulting in absolutely awful pictures.

I was offered a refund and replacement of a newer version of the case in return for a better review.

The phone case was simply not fit for purpose as it was and the review fairly (I hope) highlighted this.

I accepted the replacement newer version and agreed to a more flattering review once the improved case was seen to indeed be improved. If the flaw had been fixed then it would be fair to reflect this in my review.

The improved case was no different and my review remained unchanged, except for an update reflecting the bribe.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by mancerayder on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:17PM (#33734539)
They don't need to bribe anymore. Negative reviews get removed pretty easily. It's happened to me.

It's the new normal. Airbnb is even worse, they used to (and still might) actually have customer service edit reviews. Your review will get removed with no notice, Amazon will let you know.

If you remove some or most negative reviews but leave positive ones, what do you get.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by bombela on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:22PM (#33735219)
I have noticed this for negative review on products from big and well known companies. About technical flaws. Like a gaming computer mouse where pressing left and right click together wouldn't work. Until you update the firmware of the mouse (yep... yep you wouldn't think a mouse should be buggy nor firmware updateable).
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by MichaelCollins on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:33PM (#33735918)
Apparently Airbnb will delete any review that criticizes a property for something the property owner can't fix. Loud traintracks with trains blasting by at 3am every morning? That's not the property owner's fault, so that's a bad review.

As if reviews exist only to give constructive feedback to property owners, rather than to warn other renters away from a bad experience!

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by syrrim on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:35PM (#33735931)
"Property owner has not done enough to soundproof the unit against nearby train noise"
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by hombre_fatal on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:46PM (#33736585)
“Apartment is great for early risers!” = it’s on a city bus route that rattles the windows

“Interesting locals in the area!” = homeless people on your doorstep

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by skinnymuch on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:48AM (#33752604)
No need to disparage homeless people but point made hah.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by low_key on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:50PM (#33734928)
I've left negative reviews and they tend to get removed.

I was once even warned by Amazon that my account could be deactivated for violation of the ToS after posting a review that pointed out all of the other fake reviews on a particular product. Apparently the ToS allow fake reviews and disallow shining a light on it.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by bombela on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:18PM (#33735192)
Yep, same experience here. Everytime I reported, my updated review was deleted.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by FeistySkink on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:37PM (#33735955)
Amazon Vine is a thing, so of course they encourage fake reviews of free products.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by jamiek88 on Thursday November 24, 2022 @12:49PM (#33734124)
I do similar but actually prefer the product with the lower amount of reviews as IMO a product with 200 reviews is more likely to have real reviews than one with 20k reviews, they just look fake to me.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by Heyso on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:20PM (#33734564)
I've bought and seen crap with good reviews. On Amazon.

You have a good chance to end with some chinese crap if you rely only on Amazon.

On some product, I prefer finding a specialized seller (that isn't dropshipping). Or find a real blog (tends to be hard with all those fakes websites listing top 100 products, but they nmask hemselves when all products are chinese crap on Amazon). Reddit also work to get advice from peoples.

What's more. I make research on the compagny producing the thing. LinkedIn helps with that. Only commercials on a tech product ? Get out.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by entropie on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:33PM (#33734712)
> I've bought and seen crap with good reviews. On Amazon.

Have you heard of https://reviewmeta.com/ ?, If not, give it a try, I use it regularly and it does as advertised.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by hattmall on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:12PM (#33735699)
eBay is actually legit a good source for quality items. You can see actual seller ratings, how much the seller sells and specific item feedback. The returns / refund process is dead simple and flawless as well. The only issue is that none of the processes are as quick as Amazon. Shipping is slower and if you need to do a return it can take like 3 days to get the label.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by ljm on Thursday November 24, 2022 @01:26PM (#33734616)
I had to buy a replacement USB cable in a pinch the other week. Probably the first time since pre-COVID where I could justify next day delivery (where I would normally be happy to just wait however long it takes from a more local retailer).

I knew exactly the kind to look for but I couldn't just search for that and pick the first item on the list. I could have easily bought the wrong thing in one click and not known it.

Instead I had to spend about 30 minutes tweaking my search query, scrolling through SEO-spam listings ("NEW iPhone 14 Galaxy S21 MacBook Pro Windows 95 SE USB 2.1A cable 6cm!") and other listings which were all just the same listing but with a different no-name logo laser printed on the casing. Was on Google cross-referencing some of them to see if they'd actually be legit, since I'd trust a post in a niche forum over a review on a marketplace.

It took me longer to verify what I was buying than it did to go through checkout. Reminded me why Amazon stopped being my go-to.

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Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by chronogram on Thursday November 24, 2022 @05:04PM (#33736742)
I got a bunch of AmazonBasics cables last Christmas, but this year they don't seem to be available anymore. Don't know what the point of Amazon is in my local economy if they don't have those products anymore, since there's at least some market economics alive here.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by JohnFen on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:13PM (#33737285)
Outside of a couple of specific products, I've found Amazon Basics products to be pretty awful. I avoid them now.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by adrr on Thursday November 24, 2022 @08:44PM (#33738230)
Because Amazon Basics is the bottom of the barrel. Their cables do not last. You can buy Anker cables for around the same price. Their batteries are also terrible. It’s not like Costco’s Kirkland signature.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by primax on Friday November 25, 2022 @02:44PM (#33746051)
I find cable failures to be extremely rare. Are you pulling them out by the cable or the plug? Everyone I see who destroys cables pulls by the cable.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by cryptoegorophy on Thursday November 24, 2022 @10:04PM (#33738735)
Pro Tip: never get chargers or cables from Amazon or eBay or AliExpress. It is better to get the one from official store or if there is absolutely no option get Anker or other reputable brand and even those could be sold as a fake with all the craziness that is going on in Amazon.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by skunkworker on Thursday November 24, 2022 @10:13PM (#33738784)
If I'm buying USB cables now I pretty much only go with anker unless it's something that doesn't need to be a necessarily good (like a printer usb cable).
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by tornato7 on Friday November 25, 2022 @03:06AM (#33740293)
Monoprice is excellent as well
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by YeBanKo on Friday November 25, 2022 @02:37PM (#33745997)
For small things like that monoprice has been my go to.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by InCityDreams on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:07PM (#33735088)
Fair and balanced. My last several purchases with amazon have been a breeze, and i will continue (especially as local shops are taking full advantage to up their prices for seemingly no good reason except 'there'sa crisis') I regularly kill cookies. Perhaps it's a .com thing as I'll take the healthcare route and search through .nl, .it, .de, .co.uk for the same item. And then pay from where i have my account.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by cycomanic on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:26PM (#33735264)
Are other sites so bad in the US? I can count the number of times I've been tempted to buy with Amazon in Europe on one hand. I mean pretty much every other webshop has a search experience that is orders of magnitude better then add Geizhals to the mix and you're almost guaranteed to find the cheapest offer, in much less clicks than even trying to find something that is legit and matches the search criteria on amazon. Why do people still use it?
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by manmal on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:37PM (#33735372)
The only reason I still buy at Amazon (even though I live in Geizhals territory) is the knowledge that returns and moneyback is a nonissue, even for consumables or when things break after a year. Most retailers are ok-ish at that (some do have a really bad Geizhals rating), but Amazon is pretty much zero risk there.

For example: I recently ordered a €600 printer at a local retailer. The printer shipped in an unusable state (it refused to print and one of the paper feeds spit out a metal spring at me, not a good sign), so I sent it back. It took 6 weeks and an angry email from me for them to ship the replacement unit. With Amazon this just doesn’t happen, or at least, has never happened to me.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by JamesianP on Thursday November 24, 2022 @08:46PM (#33738242)
The return policy was the reason I started buying stuff (besides books) from Amazon in the first place. Initially it was just computer components where alternatives commonly had restocking fees and shipping costs for returns.

I think Amazon is going back to being a place where you only get certain things when you know exactly what you're looking for.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by Drew_ on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:33PM (#33735330)
The search experience on Amazon is not actually that bad. It's only bad if you're paranoid or picky. I don't use Amazon to discover anything that I'm actually passionate/picky about so I personally never have this problem.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by fmajid on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:08PM (#33735658)
Amazon used to emply Udi Manber, who literally wrote the book on search. Yet it still doesn't offer basic search features every search engine has had for years, like using quotes for phrases, the plus sign to require a phrase to be present in the search result, or the minus sign to exclude keywords or phrases from search results. That's by design.

Amazon search is so useless that about half the time I use DuckDuckGo to search Amazon itself.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by robryan on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:04PM (#33735625)
In Australia a lot of their delivery is Uber style drivers and is usually faster than other options.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by midoridensha on Friday November 25, 2022 @05:22AM (#33741021)
>Are other sites so bad in the US? I can count the number of times I've been tempted to buy with Amazon in Europe on one hand.

Here in Japan, Amazon is really popular, especially with expats. Other online sites are Japanese-only, so if you don't read Japanese well, Amazon is just much easier to use because it can be set for English, and will auto-translate everything that's in Japanese. The checkout process is also really simple. Japanese websites tend to have really poor UI too, and Amazon doesn't. Also, Amazon has relatively easy returns, unlike most Japanese retailers.

However, according to the grapevine things are getting worse. Instead of using reliable local shipping companies like Yamato or Sagawa, supposedly they're doing more delivery with freelance contractors and the results aren't good.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by russdill on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:16PM (#33735728)
It's very frustrating the number of clicks that are necessary to get a list of reviews most recent first, and not just the first few.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by prmoustache on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:35PM (#33735930)
My process for getting usable results on Amazon is to simply not use it. For any item you can think of there is an online shop dedicated to the specialty that is:

- cheaper

- easiest to search

- do not sell knockoffs, counterfeits and fake products

I know some people will raise the "you need to create another account for it annoyance" but it is not that annoying when you are using a password manager and the additionnal time spent could even be considered a feature to avoid compulsive buying.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by hombre_fatal on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:47PM (#33736593)
I thought thus was the way to go into I ran into bad shipping schedule and bad return policies, esp the latter. Now I never order anywhere except Amazon. I learn this lesson every time I try to follow your pitch.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by TedDoesntTalk on Thursday November 24, 2022 @11:45PM (#33739286)
It depends. LL Bean for instance has amazing return policies.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by za3faran on Thursday November 24, 2022 @06:11PM (#33737269)
Where do you find cheap, good quality printers? I found Amazon pricing to beat my local Microcenter website.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by wardedVibe on Friday November 25, 2022 @01:55AM (#33739950)
The printer in staples/fedex/local print shop down the road. Unless you print a lot (like business/university department amounts), or have some high levels of paranoia about your documents, you're way better off letting someone else deal with the capital costs of the printers.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by singron on Friday November 25, 2022 @04:19AM (#33740675)
Check your library too. Mine has cheaper printing than Staples and a free allowance.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by TexanFeller on Friday November 25, 2022 @10:04AM (#33742993)
The whole point of having a printer is not having to waste time driving somewhere to print something.

Not to mention the extortionate fees such places charge because they prey on the elderly and technically illiterate. One of the majors(can't recall if Staples, Kinkos etc.) recently tried to charge my parents $2/page to fax some records to a new doctor which would have been >$100.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by FeistySkink on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:36PM (#33735943)
I'm skeptical of #8. I sometimes leave detailed reviews for items that I purchased or used elsewhere and have a deep understanding of to dissuade other people from buying. Especially for new products that are being overhyped on YT or through Amazon Vine (how is that even a thing), even though they are of dubious quality. I have quite a few non-verified reviews that are voted most helpful, but Amazon obviously prioritized Vine reviews, even when they don't have any votes.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by sanitycheck on Saturday November 26, 2022 @05:13PM (#33757355)
Unfortunately there isn't an obvious way to surface good reviews (it's not clear what "top reviews" means, but they don't generally seem that good), yours may get more eyes as Reddit posts or on a blog.

Verified purchase only & 1-2 stars lets me quickly scan through for those people who come back months after purchase to write reviews because the thing broke in some way. I don't care about good/middling reviews except in aggregate, but the bad ones are worth delving into.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by dtgriscom on Thursday November 24, 2022 @03:42PM (#33735999)
I tend to check 3-star reviews; you (hopefully) find out what's wrong with a product, but not from someone who hates it and may focus on trivialities just to trash it.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by bradleyjg on Thursday November 24, 2022 @04:26PM (#33736412)
2. Filter by department (necessary for 3)

3. Filter by Seller: only Amazon

This is harder and harder to do, especially on the app. I’ve started to use walmart instead. They also have this third party seller garbage but at least they make easier to filter out.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by fleddr on Thursday November 24, 2022 @05:25PM (#33736937)
Yep, and then when you finally have your sights on a product, there will always be that one review:

"Cable didn't work, instead it shortcircuited my TV".

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by tomrod on Thursday November 24, 2022 @05:30PM (#33736982)
Ads are infective. This is why folks are worried about Apple jumping into that revenue stream.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by cryptoegorophy on Thursday November 24, 2022 @10:02PM (#33738725)
You are not their customer. You are a small percentage that they just don’t care about. 99.99% people don’t do what you do to search. They successfully click on ads.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by ikt on Friday November 25, 2022 @09:07AM (#33742490)
> It does feel just a little like Amazon's goals might not be perfectly aligned with those of the customer.

Why do you still use it? Is it just because it's cheap?

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by sanitycheck on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:02AM (#33751155)
This is a good question. I use it a lot less than I used to, and I don't have Prime.

Sometimes it's because of price, if something's significantly cheaper on Amazon I'll buy it from Amazon. Free delivery tips it in Amazon's favour sometimes.

Sometimes it's availability. It can be quite painful to order things from outside the UK, most sellers aren't equipped to deal with VAT/duty their end so I end up with the delivery company holding packages hostage until I pay those (which is fine) plus a £20-30 "admin fee" for their package-hostage service. Pre-Brexit I could avoid this by ordering from elsewhere in the EU, but now I'm even more limited. Looking through my Amazon purchase history 3 of the last 5 things I've ordered are only available from Amazon in the UK (and at twice the price from a couple of dodgy looking online stores I've never heard of).

The other reason is their returns policy, if the thing I order doesn't work they'll take it back with no fuss and refund the money. Other major retailers in the UK make this difficult, frustrating and/or time-consuming.

I think they succeeded in retail because of a relentless focus on making the experience for customers better than their competitors. That's all still there, in the background - but it's being eclipsed by some other part of the org that wants to trick those customers into buying a load of shit.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by sylvainkalache on Friday November 25, 2022 @09:11AM (#33742523)
I would suggest adding Fakespot to your process. They analyze reviews and will spot the ones that are most likely fake, and then adjust the rating of the product accordingly.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by sanitycheck on Saturday November 26, 2022 @05:19AM (#33751489)
I've looked at a couple of services which look for patterns in reviews to flag fakes, but I think this only helps me if I'm prepared to buy from third-party sellers - which I'm not.

Fake reviews are paid for by sellers shifting tat that Amazon themselves will not sell (because someone in that bit of Amazon still cares about quality). If Amazon themselves wanted to add fake reviews they could easily do it in a way undetectable by Fakespot etc.

Fakespot in particular is a business with a business model, and that is (I think) all about ads and affiliate links. Just a guess, but probably VC-funded with a pressure to actually make a profit somehow. I am thus not their customer, and their incentives may not always align with mine so it's hard to trust them.

Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by odysseus on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:24PM (#33756899)
You can skip steps 2 and 3 by using https://www.shipsfromandsoldby.com to search or by appending a certain string to the URL which I forget now. I'm not affiliated with that site (and it DOES use affiliate links) but I've found it useful.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by sanitycheck on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:57PM (#33757208)
Just tried it, doesn't appear to work. It does redirect me to search results on amazon.co.uk, but some of the results are items from third party sellers.
Re:Almost Everything on Amazon Is Becoming an Ad by odysseus on Saturday November 26, 2022 @05:45PM (#33757632)
Hmm, I just tried it again and both the first and last page of search results were all shipped and sold by Amazon. My search term was "geiger counter" and results were from amazon.com.