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Re:Binance Acquires FTX by jonas21 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @03:04PM (#33523565)
For those not up to date on crypto people, SBF is Sam Bankman-Fried [1] and CZ is Changpeng Zhao. I don't know why they insist on being called by their initials like they're some sort of ticker symbol.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changpeng_Zhao

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by sneak on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @03:13PM (#33523664)
It’s common in many internet circles to refer to prominent people by their initials. Hackerdom has a long tradition of this: rms gls esr jwz et al. It also tends to happen in US federal politics for some reason (jfk rfk gwb fdr et al) but not to everyone.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by woodruffw on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @03:24PM (#33523806)
There's a little bit of cargo-culting with the practice: I thought CZ was short for the Czech Republic. The only reason I know "SBF" is because the New Yorker obliged him in that William MacAskill piece.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by jonas21 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @03:21PM (#33523780)
Good point. Though I thought the reason was that early hackers went by their usernames, and UNIX usernames were limited to 8 characters, so they had to abbreviate.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by bombcar on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:09PM (#33524333)
At least the political ones (some) came about for clarification (JFK and RFK are both Kennedies, GWB is to distinguish from "Bush"). Others come from their names being long or hard to remember/pronounce/spell (I suspect this is what happened with AOC).
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by pitt1980 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:16PM (#33525086)
The Robert Caro books about Lyndon B Johnson detail his effort to force meme “LBJ” as a reference to him.

(Mostly in terms of insisting various communications employees use it in press releases and what not).

It seems he liked the iconography of it, especially in putting himself in similar company to FDR.

Both his daughters have the LBJ initials, his wife is mostly known as Lady Bird Johnson (a nickname that predates their relationship, but is not her given name)

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by cossatot on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:27PM (#33525194)
OT: Are those books worth reading? I loved the Power Broker but the LBJ books are a whole lot to get through.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by pitt1980 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:51PM (#33525389)
Short answer, yes.

Longer answer - from my prospective - I enjoyed the first book Path to Power the most, which revolves around LBJs early life up to becoming a US Representative. I thought it was very on par with the Power Broker. That an the Power Broker would probably be my first recommendation to an ambitious college kid who wants to know the real Politik of how the world works.

The next book Means of Assent was my least favorite of Caro’s books, but still highly enjoyable.

Master of the Senate and Passage of Power are both great. But sort of specific to LBJs spot in life. Great, but I’m not sure they sparked my thinking quite the way the Power Broker and Path to Power did.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by sbierwagen on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @09:28PM (#33526918)
Maybe.

The books are designed to be standalone-ish, so later volumes spend a fair bit of time repeating things from earlier books. Caro goes deep, deep into various shady acts and new scandals which were probably shocking and relevant in 1982 but less so four decades later.

Caro also touches on a lot of the same topics as The Power Broker, and the picture he paints of LBJ ends up sounding quite a lot like Robert Moses. Is it because all powerful men inevitably end up as bullying psychopaths, or does Caro have something of an axe to grind? 50/50, maybe.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by Taek on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:19PM (#33525110)
Can't forget pg and sama
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by wbl on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:34PM (#33525731)
Fun crossover: IKE, internet key exchange had a proposed successor JFK
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by rswail on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:12PM (#33527444)
Who are "et" and "al"? /s
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by throwaway81523 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:33AM (#33527836)
FDR went by FDR because those were his initials and ehh, people do that sometimes. Have enough presidents and sooner or later you'll get a president who does it. JFK and LBJ did it as conscious homages to FDR. There is a book "In The Shadow of FDR" about post-WW2 US politics that mentions this.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by conductr on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @03:54PM (#33524152)
DPR fans?
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by Analemma_ on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:04PM (#33524275)
Because they think the people they're most similar to are respected old-school hackers (rms, jwz, etc.) instead of carnival hucksters like P. T. Barnum.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by alliao on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:08PM (#33524322)
i can just imagine jwz squirming at the idea of this and it is way too funny...
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by jefftk on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:19PM (#33526507)
If they were imitating the older style they would use lowercase
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by eru on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:24PM (#33527503)
P. T. Barnum doesn't deserve the bad reputation. See eg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=310056
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by SilasX on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:15PM (#33524414)
Because Bankman-Fried is a mouthful/typeful to say every time, and Changpeng is a big, non-western name, and Zhao too common by itself.

Source: me referring to one of them in conversation a lot with no incentive to kowtow to his preferred branding.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by dpflan on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:43PM (#33524716)
Maybe: Crypto is full of acronyms, token tickers are a great example and apropos here --> their names have been "tokenized"...?
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by rich_sasha on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:48PM (#33524770)
Ownership of personhood as documented by holding an NFT.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by dboreham on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:54PM (#33524834)
You've been reading the DID spec.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:41PM (#33525303)
Which is basically an energy-wasting form of the Blue Checkmark?
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by RileyJames on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:33PM (#33525712)
With the proof of stake release for Eth, is this point still valid?

Bitcoin is still energy intensive, but that has nothing to do with NFTs.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by dboreham on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:45PM (#33526689)
Not even that, because that'd be a web of trust, like PGP or Keybase.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by RC_ITR on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:17PM (#33525087)
You see the same thing with Middle East Leaders - MBS, MBZ, etc.

When the names are even semi-complex and the reach is global, people default to acronyms.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by a4isms on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:08PM (#33525526)
Pedantic nit:

Those are initialisms. An initialism is when the individual letters are individually pronounced, like "emm-bee-ess."

An acronym is when the initial letters are pronounced as a word, e.g. SOAR ("Situation Options Act Review-and-Reassess")

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by RC_ITR on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:10PM (#33525541)
The broader sense of acronym—the meaning of which includes terms pronounced as letters—is sometimes criticized, but it is the term's original meaning[1] and is in common use.Dictionary and style-guide editors are not in universal agreement on the naming for such abbreviations, and it is a matter of some dispute whether the term acronym can be legitimately applied to abbreviations which are not pronounced "as words", nor do these language authorities agree on the correct use of spacing, casing, and punctuation.

[1] https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/1844;jsessioni...).

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by Jasper_ on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @07:51PM (#33526273)
If there's one thing I really dislike about HN culture, it's the consistent derailing of a thread to "um, actually" someone on a semantics distinction that literally nobody has ever been confused by, or to shoehorn in new terminology that doesn't improve communication in any way.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by user_named on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:25PM (#33527510)
Agreed
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by xapata on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:52AM (#33527935)
I enjoyed reading the diversion. I don't think it derailed anything, except perhaps for your reply.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by 3np on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:20AM (#33528070)
> literally nobody has ever been confused by

um, actually...

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by a4isms on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:12AM (#33533674)
Some of the most interesting things I've read have been digressions from the main point. Your observation is a case in point: We're now talking about HN culture instead of wild times in the crypto economy. Is this a derailment? Or a digression?

It all depends upon whether people perceive it to be something that "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity," a line right from the guidelines. In your case, the difference between initialisms and acronyms (if any, see another reply) does not, and I accept that. Sorry!

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by anonporridge on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:39PM (#33525762)
Also AOC, MLK, FDR, and JFK!
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by pottertheotter on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @07:48PM (#33526251)
With the exception that people like MBS, MBZ, AOC, etc. are objectively much more well known.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by CamelCaseName on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:18PM (#33525097)
They go by acronyms on social media, namely twitter, the main place people interact with them

https://twitter.com/cz_binance

https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by rvba on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:58PM (#33525455)
CZ is Czechia though
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by bhawks on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:13PM (#33525567)
It will get it's acronym back shortly.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by H8crilA on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:23PM (#33525643)
Unless it turns out that Changpeng is of the Habsburgs. Then we will have a serious clash in Europe again.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by bitL on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:22PM (#33526536)
He doesn't have the chin...
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by aliqot on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @07:53AM (#33530837)
pretty much everyone is a descendant of franz joseph
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by HashBasher on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @10:25PM (#33527216)
The acronyms are very twitter friendly.