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Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by stubish on Monday October 31, 2022 @07:31PM (#33414868)
Do you see how fast he is going compared to the other cars? They are going as fast as they can without losing grip and spinning out as they go round the corner. He has the wall supporting him around the corner and could floor the accelerator in top gear.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by chihuahua on Monday October 31, 2022 @08:07PM (#33415196)
Thanks for explaining that - I saw the video and was wondering "why are the other cars going so slow, is there a traffic jam?"
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by mcv on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @04:44AM (#33418514)
These cars don't seem to stick to the ground like they do in F1, so I guess they need to slow down a lot for the corner just like regular cars. Except for the guy who uses the wall to push him through the corner.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by SilasX on Monday October 31, 2022 @09:20PM (#33415794)
Okay but why didn’t anyone try this before? They just didn’t think of it? What made it a good idea this time but not any other time if it’s faster?
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by sokoloff on Monday October 31, 2022 @09:28PM (#33415840)
The 2022 “NextGen” cars are significantly stiffer than prior cars; it’s possible that they are stiff enough to be better able to run the full half lap without getting stuck, but I more suspect no one seriously considered it.

Even with Nextgen cars, it’s a last half-lap move at most.

Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by stubish on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @12:50AM (#33417066)
I also suspect nobody seriously considered it or thought they could get away with it. If they don't add rules to stop it, you will see people welding bumpers or even wheels to the sides of their cars to take advantage.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by otherme123 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:24AM (#33417686)
IMHO they should rule it out changing the wall construction in some way that it no longer gives an advantage. E.g. attaching TecPro barriers to it.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by joshjob42 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:55AM (#33417865)
I think they should design the walls to make this easier and folks should put wheels on the side. Let’s go crazy, that was awesome.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by neurostimulant on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:26AM (#33418058)
If everyone has side wheel, it would get boring fast. The one that can hug the wall first win.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by swader999 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:43AM (#33420377)
It'll be too hard on the driver's brains as well
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by bombcar on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @11:29AM (#33422545)
Just race in a giant sewer pipe, I guess, heh.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by ehnto on Monday October 31, 2022 @10:19PM (#33416167)
The obvious one is that it ruins the car, at the end of the video you see his car is stopped on the track, presumably he broke some control arms and can't drive it back to the pits.

So it works once, then you're out, and you have to hope you pull it off safely. It was a massive risk, not all courses have a wall that wouldn't have wrecked the car. He mentions that part in the video.

Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by modeless on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @01:34AM (#33417347)
He actually drove back to the pits OK, amazingly enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27S42Y5km4I
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by ehnto on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:16AM (#33417629)
That is pretty crazy. I can't imagine he kept his wheel alignment which would have been impactful if he had to keep racing, but it's impressive the suspension arms survived that. Maybe the new gen cage contacts before the wheels and they took most of the force?
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by modeless on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:33AM (#33417736)
I wonder if they modified the car for this at all? I've gotta imagine that he at least discussed the possibility of doing this with his crew before he went and did it.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by swader999 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:39AM (#33420336)
He did discuss it with his crew with five laps to go, so it wasn't spur of the moment but pretty close.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by tylergetsay on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:12PM (#33439357)
Any recordings of this part?
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by chasd00 on Monday October 31, 2022 @11:03PM (#33416432)
Getting into the wall usually means a flat tire or at least being slowed down considerably. I don’t think you could do this on a superspeedway track because the forces and friction would just destroy the car before the turn was over. On a short track it looks to be a different story.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by Balgair on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @01:07AM (#33417184)
Its insanely dangerous. Really just neigh-criminally stupid.

Any little lip in the siding on the wall could have caused him to flip or twirl about or get speared or launched his engine all over the place. The walls are designed to keep people safe, including the fans. They are fantastically well engineered and made. But, if he had caught the wall wrong and was catapulted into the stands, he may have killed a lot of people, let alone the danger to other drivers, let alone to himself. The various safety systems, of which the wall was but one, aren't made for that move and could very easily have been compromised in very bad ways.

I mean, it was awesome to watch, just incredibly cool. I'm glad it worked for him, he's in the history books for that move for sure. I can totally see NASCAR evolving to utilize that move in the future.

But he put many lives at more risk than anyone was expecting in such a kinetic sport.

Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by swader999 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:37AM (#33420322)
I think just this year the body design on the cars became strong enough to try this. He also risked a yellow flag being thrown which would have disqualified any passing afterward. But they weren't quick enough with that lol.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by hammock on Monday October 31, 2022 @09:40PM (#33415918)
I get that he’s not going to slide off the track, but I don’t understand how he wouldn’t be slowed by the friction of the side of his car against the wall, though
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by crooked-v on Monday October 31, 2022 @09:55PM (#33415993)
He is slowed, but the other drivers are slowed more by the need to keep traction in the turn.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by ehsankia on Monday October 31, 2022 @10:35PM (#33416251)
nitro_force - friction_force > max_force_before_you_slip_on_that_turn
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by swader999 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:27AM (#33420237)
I bet he was close to passing out on that turn, much like a fighter jet pilot can experience when they pull too many g's in a turn.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by bagels on Monday October 31, 2022 @11:15PM (#33416493)
Speed through the turn is limited by lateral forces. The wall can provide more lateral force than the tires can. Yes, there's friction, but the cars are fiberglass, it's pretty slippery against a smooth painted wall (and they have a ton of power).
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by LanceH on Monday October 31, 2022 @11:15PM (#33416497)
During the course of the race bits of rubber come off the tires and form what is basically a rubbery gravel. The racing line is cleared of it by the passage of the cars. Get down too low or up too high and you start sliding like you would on gravel. So he went high, accepted the slippery-ness and used the wall to keep him going the right direction as he kept the pedal down.

On the racing line, even with a clean track, they still need grip to turn -- he didn't.

Also to note that as it is the end of the race, they aren't on fresh tires and probably most/all of the field didn't have the full grip they would during other portions of the race.

Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by stubish on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @12:44AM (#33417039)
He is slowed down by the friction of the side of his car against the wall. And probably by bits of his car being torn away as it slowly disintegrates. But the engines on these cars are powerful and can easily overcome those effects.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by shultays on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:24AM (#33417687)
They should add wheels on sides as well to reduce lateral wall frictions!
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by mcv on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @04:46AM (#33418534)
I'm not sure small wheels would really be an improvement, and large wheels would weigh a lot. So it's entirely possible that a smooth surface is actually the best approach here.
Re:Nascar Driver Stuns to Qualify for Championship with Game... by snappr021 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @09:21AM (#33420812)
2 Skateboard wheels embedded in the bodywork, to touch the wall front and rear, and off to the races.