Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. And with a new pandemic, literally everyone is incompetent.

We have learned a ton about treating and preventing this disease, and vaccines are still the right answer for preventing mass public infection.

There’s really no functional difference between malice and incompetence, or even between evil and weakness. The problem is when incompetent people are given power to force their erroneous beliefs upon other, more rational, people.

That's a reasonable stance, though I don't agree in general.

But are you saying that's what the CDC is doing?

> vaccines are still the right answer for preventing mass public infection.

The vaccines don't prevent transmission so you're spreading pure misinformation here.

> And with a new pandemic, literally everyone is incompetent.

Then the right thing to do is to not pretend to be competent. Especially when speaking from a position of authority.

Fauci continues to present the vaccine as 100% safe without mentioning possible negative outcomes.

Are they not safe enough to recommend for everyone?

I have no idea.

There's always a risk with any medication you put in your body. Do we know with 100% certainty that the vaccine provides enough benefit to a 6 month old to justify the risk? I don't know.

I will at least give CDC.gov credit because now they are listing four possible "serious adverse events" (plus death is mentioned as well) here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/sa...

But you have to go out of your way to find that. And nobody knows the long term risks but that's not mentioned.

Then listen to the news at 6, or the latest Fauci interview, and you'll only hear that "COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective".

>We have learned a ton about treating and preventing this disease, and vaccines are still the right answer for preventing mass public infection.

Are you _really_ sure about the statement you make?

The risk of myocarditis is 11 times higher for unvaccinated individuals getting COVID than it is for people receiving the vaccine[0]:

“In a detailed analysis of nearly 43 million people, the risk of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals after COVID-19 infection was at least 11 times higher compared to people who developed myocarditis after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine or booster dose, according to new research published today in the American Heart Association’s flagship, peer-reviewed journal Circulation. This analysis included data from England’s National Immunization database for people ages 13 and older who received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine between December 1, 2020 and December 15, 2021 in England.”

0: https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant...

Not true for young men getting the Moderna vaccine, and then you have 2x exposure to myocarditis risk factors for no benefit.

[citation needed]

It's in the study you linked, genius. Check the charts on page 9.

It’s an interesting argument. Here is a paragraph from the article:

“In men younger than 40 years, we estimate an additional 4 (95% CI, 2–6) and 14 (95% CI, 5–17) myocarditis events per million in the 1 to 28 days after a first dose of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively; and an additional 14 (95% CI, 8–17), 11 (95% CI, 9–13) and 97 (95% CI, 91–99) myocarditis events after a second dose of ChAdOx1, BNT162b2, and mRNA-1273, respectively. These estimates compare with an additional 16 (95% CI, 12–18) myocarditis events per million men younger than 40 years in the 1 to 28 days after a SARS-CoV-2–positive test before vaccination.”

At those numbers the vaccines are causing myocarditis more than covid, but only in young men and not causing a lot more.

If you lump in the multitude of other things covid causes, I’m still picking the vaccine as the lesser evil.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.0...

Not true for men under 40, which happens to be the HN demographic.

There is a large case study. South Africa, which is much younger than America, ignored the omicron wave. How are they suffering from the 11x higher risk of myocarditis now? Rhetorical question.

You should have gotten the vaccine as well, you are 10x more likely to die from covid than from the flu and highly likely to get long covid. Even if you have a low chance of dying from it you still have a extremely high likelihood of passing it on to someone it can easily kill and as a member of society you owe it at least a little bit if you receive its benefits. Also what does being male have to do with any of this? You do you though, but there is almost 0 danger in getting the vaccine and tons of danger in not getting it.

Link? To something other than a nutjob site?

I mean, I haven’t looked into it and tbh I wouldn’t be that surprised if it DOES correlate to a higher risk. But I’m willing to bet we are talking insanely low risks but people will always know someone directly or through 6 degrees who had this happen so therefor it’s an evil plot!!111

> The vaccines don't prevent transmission

Nothing is ever 100% perfect - no medicine or vaccine. However, transmission in vaccinated individuals is orders of magnitude lower than unvaccinated.

There’s no point in trying to logic with people like this.

Somehow, people got it into their heads that vaccines = immunity! With 100% success!!!!

And, no? What?

I haven’t figured out where they got it from.

> Even with Delta the effectiveness against transmission dropped to zero in under 12 weeks.

It didn't.

You're being downvoted for wrongthink, but just know that there are a lot of us purebloods out here, standing right by your side.

A young man I work with has lifelong myocarditis now because of the Moderna vaccine (after being told it was "anxiety" by ER doctors who wouldn't dare question the "100% safe and effective" narrative). The vaccine was mandatory for employment, and this young man has no recourse. Nobody is liable.

I can’t even tell if this is satire. “Purebloods”??

Also, you people always give anecdotes like that.

It’s fucking amazing.

Be as upset as you want about it, but reality is unrelenting in the face of human emotion.

Upset about what?

Page 9 of this study: https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant...

Men under 40 have significantly higher risk of myocarditis from the mRNA vaccines than from Covid itself.

16 cases per million higher if I read correctly. I.e. you take on a 1:50000 chance of an “event” that likely isn’t even close to deadly, but the benefits vastly, vastly outweigh that risk.

It’s orders of magnitude higher and further depending on how you estimate unreported even more so.

For many cohorts it’s higher than rate of any permanent side effect from Covid itself.

Myocarditis is typically permanent.

So you’re wrong, and dangerously so by actively misleading young men to do a dangerous thing.

I have a friend who worked at a prestigious hospital as a receptionist. Her and her coworkers got vaccinated and after talking figured out the regularity and flow of their periods was thrown out of wack afterwards. Before it had been regular and consistent. Now several months ago research was released saying this was a side effect. It took over 2 years for the scientific community to validate a blatant side effect which these women recognized in the first months. It does make me wonder how long it will take for subtler effects of these fast tracked vaccines to be recognized as more than just anecdotes.

“Pure blood”.

Lol. Oh my god. You literally made me LOL.