I’m not a Muslim but agnostic and agree that “freedom” is poorly defined and subjective like “idea” of America which is empty cipher. Ruling class of US idea of freedom is for citizens to be free to take on debt and live precarious alienated life with not a small portion dying in abject poverty and increasingly alone.

There are far more choices than Theocracies and Plutocracies.

I salute your pointing out their hypocrisy. There's a lot more to say about that for sure, but here's not the right avenue.

Your description of my faith is not only incorrect, but shows your ignorance and hate. I won't tell you to grow up, instead go educate yourself.

The rest of your post is a straw man and also shows your ignorance to the Islamic world view of other and previous cultures and religions, as if you think you are pointing out some contradiction. Again, go educate yourself.

In any case, you just attacked my faith, without disproving that indeed the Western secular view promotes indecency that contradicts my faith.

I don't need to be educated in superstition. Covid was cured due to praying, no? Oh, well, no, it was cures dud to the scientific knowledge.

On ignorance, read about the Gilgamesh eposh and then compare it to the Abrahamaic myths. Do they overlap? OFC, Gilgamesh' scripts existed since centuries ago.

Man, as an European I know the Christian myths very well, and later after reading some of the cultures across the world, our Abrahamic view form the world it's as closeminded as some African tribe praying to the Kulu-kulu God.

I repeat: I remind you of the whole America (A HUGE continent), Africa, the Chinese and the Hindi cases. No mention of the Abrahamic God until the Europeans/Muslims arrived. The Egyptians were die hard scribae, the wrote down everything. Yet, they had no mentions on Jesus, Moises' myth or anything.

To me the Bible myths are as real as North Koreans saying to the world that their "the supreme leader" doesn't defecate and he can travel over space and time. Same nationalist bullshit, but first the Jews did it with their myth to get their tribes united. That's nationalism.

The Greeks began to do the right things since Euclid and Archimedes. Everything else it's cheating ourselves with childish beliefs.

The more you write the more you expose your bigotry and ignorance. From putting all faiths under one umbrella, to false dichotomies, to straw man, to conveniently disregarding how much Muslims wrote, so much so that they invented the Isnad system. Thanks.

False dichotomies? I am not the one placing myths as facts, you know. Who cares who wrote the fairy tale, either the Muslims or Christians, it doesn't matter. Science cares about the facts, and nothing neither from the Bible nor the Quran has been proved scientifically. And beliefs are as valid as saying than I am Superman and I can fly. If I do so from a 7th floor, I guess no matter how much faith I have, I will die because gravity and acceleration will work against my idiocy.

> Science cares about the facts, and nothing neither from the Bible nor the Quran has been proved scientifically

Factually false about the Quran. Which proves my points. Educate yourself.

Ok, show me how miracles work without clashing with the laws of thermodynamics.

You're jumping around all over the place. You make a general statement about the Quran, then you decide to limit it to miracles when cornered.

Miracles do violate the normal flow of things, that's the whole point. The Omnipotent Creator bends the rules to His Will. He created the rules after all. There is no logical inconsistency there at all. Just to make it somewhat easier to understand, you can program a simulation with a specific set of rules, but you can make exclusions for a certain time/location.

We have no proofs of a creator, period. Until that, the correct thing to do is to say there's no god until there's some evidence.

There are many proofs. But some people are too blind or too proud to see them. You can check out provingislam.com for a teaser.

That's as scientific as a Marvel Comic Con. That just tries to align with your bias, there isn't any science on it.

It is scientific, just not experimental science which is limited. Look up Islam's Isnad system to learn more. There is nothing like it in any other tradition, faith or historic or otherwise. If you only follow experimental science, then you follow the religion of scientism, which only give a partial picture, and sometimes even an incorrect picture.

You posted many hellish flamewar comments to this thread. We ban accounts that vandalize HN like this. It doesn't matter how right you are or feel you are.

Moreover, we've already had to ask you many times not to do this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30421484 (Feb 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29042093 (Oct 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26881003 (April 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26582160 (March 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22724414 (March 2020)

Your comments in this thread were so aggressive that you've easily crossed the point where we would ban an account. I don't want to ban you because you've also posted good things. If you do this again, though, we're going to end up having to. Therefore, please review the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and avoid doing anything like this on HN again.