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It is scientific, just not experimental science which is limited. Look up Islam's Isnad system to learn more. There is nothing like it in any other tradition, faith or historic or otherwise. If you only follow experimental science, then you follow the religion of scientism, which only give a partial picture, and sometimes even an incorrect picture.

Yes, politics plays a huge role. I've seen it play out that way many times.

> And yet it seems to be evangelized more fervently than ever in academic institutions, governments, journalism, etc.

When you know the agendas and world views of those same people, everything starts to make sense. It's quite unfortunate to say the least, but hopefully more people wake up.

> Oh yeah? Then why did they feel compelled to kill a young woman for the "horrible crime" of not covering her hair?

Why are you asking me? Did I defend the corruption of such a regime anywhere in what I wrote? In fact, I stated the opposite. The incident should be investigated, and those responsible should face justice.

> It's not actually mandatory for Westerners to have unprotected sex with every woman whose hair we can see

No one said it is mandatory, but the results are clear for spreading immorality in the land.

Your last statement is pure bigotry and Islamophobic and racist. If you don't want to learn, I hope someone else who comes across this conversation has an open mind.

My religion brought enlightenment into the world, and you benefit from it to this very day. Read up about the Islamic Golden Age for an intro.

I agree with you. But do you think most people are going to afford purchasing even remotely anywhere near that price point?

golang has quite the suspect decisions that show up when writing large programs https://www.uber.com/blog/data-race-patterns-in-go/

Anything can suggest a specific meaning when someone has an agenda. I'm not playing these games.

There are many proofs. But some people are too blind or too proud to see them. You can check out provingislam.com for a teaser.

You're jumping around all over the place. You make a general statement about the Quran, then you decide to limit it to miracles when cornered.

Miracles do violate the normal flow of things, that's the whole point. The Omnipotent Creator bends the rules to His Will. He created the rules after all. There is no logical inconsistency there at all. Just to make it somewhat easier to understand, you can program a simulation with a specific set of rules, but you can make exclusions for a certain time/location.

Ah yes, the typical US solution: bomb people into submission, then wonder why they're hated so much.

Not sure what democracy has anything to do with this. Remind me again how many lives were taken by the USA, Canada, UK, Germany, et al in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc? Note that I am not defending any tyrant anywhere.

It does, but it's nice to see that software engineering is officially codified by the IEEE :-)

> Science cares about the facts, and nothing neither from the Bible nor the Quran has been proved scientifically

Factually false about the Quran. Which proves my points. Educate yourself.

The more you write the more you expose your bigotry and ignorance. From putting all faiths under one umbrella, to false dichotomies, to straw man, to conveniently disregarding how much Muslims wrote, so much so that they invented the Isnad system. Thanks.

It aligns quite well with reality

* https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32753002/

* https://www.thelocal.es/20190613/spain-launches-safe-sex-cam...

* https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9623466/sti-hotspots-europe-ma...

* https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-46235842

* https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-31806358

You can "note" however much you want. Our men, women, and children, our land, our culture. Our women refer to our women, as "our women". Play your silly games elsewhere.

> The fact is that some men (and women) felt so threatened

No one is feeling threatened. You're the one projecting here.

I'm also not defending what happened to her at all. Whomever killed her should be brought to justice.

> Your idea about how men behave in the west

Not really. I've seen and experienced it personally.

> and the difference is that we live much better than you.

Yes, as evidenced by the insane rates of STDs, mental illnesses, women resorting to prostitution to support themselves, the mass homicides, drunk driving, wide spread rapes, and much more to count here.

> Just be smart and use a condom as everybody does

Yes, everybody does, yet the rates of STDs are through the roof.

Much more available here in the following playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIBKRT_XsX4&list=PLPqH38Ki1f...

The slippery slope is real. And as far as we're concerned, taking the Hijab away is one very obvious step in that direction. Just look at history.

I'm not defending the Iranian regime by the way.

You're straw manning to assume that the Hijab's only reason is lack of self control. It's one part of many things that we have in Islam to preserve morality and purity. For example, both men and women are ordered to lower their gaze.

I'm not moralizing here. I'm defending my religion and land from the assumption of the secular west that they're here to liberate us from "oppression".

I salute your pointing out their hypocrisy. There's a lot more to say about that for sure, but here's not the right avenue.

We have restriction on what people are allowed to show and in front of whom. Just like many other faiths do. It's quite telling how Muslim women follow the blessed Mary, Peace be upon her, more than Christian women do. She's always portrayed as covering her hair. Our women cover their hair.

> Enjoying the feminine grace and beauty is one of the greatest pleasures of being alive

And we get to enjoy it. Just not in the way the West wants where any strange man will drool over our women. We're not pigs, nor are we dumb. We're seeing what the so called "female liberation" is causing to your societies. Enjoy your STDs, single parent families, children on the streets, and normalized prostitution, and many more.

Your description of my faith is not only incorrect, but shows your ignorance and hate. I won't tell you to grow up, instead go educate yourself.

The rest of your post is a straw man and also shows your ignorance to the Islamic world view of other and previous cultures and religions, as if you think you are pointing out some contradiction. Again, go educate yourself.

In any case, you just attacked my faith, without disproving that indeed the Western secular view promotes indecency that contradicts my faith.

Yes I am a Muslim. Do you have anything against it?

I agree with you overall, but it’s still a problem that they’re selling books on how to attempt suicide

Bad analogy. It’s already established that there are innate differences between males and females even shortly after birth, and that translates to different behavioral outcomes and career preferences.

Discrimination is discrimination

The freedom to get naked in the streets yeah? Thanks but no thanks.

You’re correct that our goals and culture that promotes purity and piety is more important than what the secular West defines as “freedom”

Ah yes, the typical astounding secular definition of freedom, equating it with nakedness and vices. I’ll tell you something, the vast majority of the Saudis are proud of the Hijab and their Islamic faith that promotes purity and decency. We don’t want the western definition of “freedom” thank you very much, we’ve seen where it leads