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Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by Longlius on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:37PM (#32933465)
Part of it is simply different television formats. The Office UK specifically aired on BBC One without commercials which meant that it had to be cut down to fit on a major network's timeslot of 20-24 min. Shows like that typically have to go to special TV stations like PBS or BBC America in order to get a commercial-free timeslot or (in BBC America's case) finagled into a less common time slot with weird commercial break timings. Even with shows that have the same length as a standard US show, the break timings are at different points making it more complicated for TV networks to schedule ad space around.

And then there's the larger issue of a lot of British TV actors simply not having the recognizability of their American counterparts which is a major selling point (esp in the pre-web media days). Steve Carrell was a minor star from his time on the Daily Show which made him a good fit to 'sell' the US Office.

>Did the UK IT Crowd ever take off in the US?

It was a minor cult hit, especially among the technologically-inclined demographic. But it's not especially well-known.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by rwmj on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:32AM (#32935788)
I learned this is why David Attenborough's nature documentaries now have the obligatory 10 minute "making of" featurette at the end. The first 50 minutes is sold overseas as an hour long documentary (with ad breaks), and the last 10 minutes is for the BBC audience in the UK to fill it up to an hour.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by drcongo on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:33AM (#32936626)
Interesting! That's usually my favourite bit.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by oakesm9 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:25AM (#32935366)
The IT Crowd was actually aired on Channel 4, not the BBC. Channel 4 is publicly owned (for now…) but is fully funded through adverts. The ad break timings likely don’t match what you have in the US though (at the start and end and a single break in the middle over a 30 minute runtime).
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by rkangel on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:16AM (#32937801)
If you watch an NFL game on Sky there are a load of breaks where they cut to a UK analysis crew. Every single one of those is an ad break that they have in the US but not in the UK. Sky does still has ads, but clearly far far fewer than the US is willing to tolerate.

NFL is an extreme example but I always found the comparison interesting.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by thesuitonym on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:33AM (#32938547)
The NFL is the most ridiculous two hours of television in the US. I don't really understand why people put up with the amount of ads they shove into a game.

There was service years ago--maybe it's still around--from one of the TV networks that would cut a whole game into 15-20 minutes, mostly be not showing any ads during the game, and cutting out all of the commentary/standing around.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by rkangel on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:06AM (#32938917)
The on-air duration of an NFL game is actually closest to 3 hours. It's 2 to 2.5 hours when shown without ads.

The NFL GamePass service that you can subscribe to (how I mostly watch the NFL from outside the US) offers 'Game in 40 minutes' (sometimes called Condensed). It just cuts from play-to-play-to-play. It's a great way to be able to watch a couple of other NFL games in a given week (fits nicely into a lunch break), but I do actually miss the proper commentary. Good commentary teams are very helpful in breaking down what happened in the blur of action that is each play.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by mh- on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:15AM (#32938366)
For those wondering: a 30 minute slotted network show in the US is 21-22 minutes long. A 60 minute is simply double - 42-44 minutes long.

How many breaks this works out to varies by show, since they try to cut it at strategic points. Usually 2-4 per 30 minutes.

If anyone has actual data on this I'd love to see it. Especially historical data.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ConchParabola on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:24PM (#32944173)
In 2019, it was 14-18 minutes of explicit advertising per hour depending on the network and the genre (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1025656/ad-time-primetim...), up from about 13-16 minutes per hour in 2009 (https://time.com/96303/tv-commercials-increasing/). "Bumpers", network identifiers, and other content inserted by the airing network that is not ad space sold to a third party are not included in all of the counts. Local (as opposed to national) advertising time is also missing from some of these datasets. Overall, the duration of scripted US television shows is now approximately 40 minutes per hour: http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/commerciallength.htm

Other ways television advertising has increased over time:

Number of ad breaks. In the 1950s and early 1960s ads were aired before and after shows, often with the host of the show doing the ad reads for one or two products that were billed as the show's "sponsors". A break for ads in the middle of the content was added in the mid-1960s, and the number of breaks per hour increased at least into the 1990s. https://ibuzzle.com/television-advertising-history

Number of ads per break. Television ads have gotten generally shorter over time. 30 seconds became the norm during the 1970s. From 2009 to 2019, the percentage of ads that were 15 seconds long increased from 35% to 42% (https://time.com/96303/tv-commercials-increasing/).

Amount of paid product placement inside the shows. In 2009, product placement occupied between 5.5 minutes and 19.25 minutes per hour, with unscripted shows the highest (https://www.marketingcharts.com/television-9434). Spending on television product placement has increased since then (https://www.marketingcharts.com/cross-media-and-traditional/...).

Addition of advertising to previously ad-free platforms. I recall that most cable networks originally did not air ads but cannot find the data to back that up. In 2021-2022, streaming services have increasingly added ads: https://www.marketingcharts.com/television/tv-advertising-22... In a 2022 survey, 41% of American TV-watching adults felt there were too many ads on television vs. 18-25% for various streaming platforms (https://hubresearchllc.com/reports/?category=2022&title=2022...).

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by Jaruzel on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:51AM (#32935935)
Fully funded? I was under the impression that they get a small slice of the licence fee?
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by oakesm9 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:14AM (#32936102)
No, they are fully funded by adverts and licencing their programmes to other channels and platforms. See the 4th question in this FAQ:

https://www.channel4.com/corporate/about-4/operating-respons...

There's been a fair bit of misunderstanding around Channel 4 since Nadine Dorris (ex Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport) aanounced plans to sell off Channel 4. A lot of people never reaslised it was publicly owned and then assumed it was the same model as the BBC, but with some adverts.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by isthisnametaken on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:41AM (#32936680)
S4C (Sianel 4 Cymru, Channel 4 Wales) receives some licence fee funding (partially via the BBC making programmes for it), but it's a separate entity to Channel 4
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by comprev on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:13AM (#32936097)
Only the BBC gets money from the license fee. Part of the strong objection to the license fee is that BBC’s international arm already is a huge cash cow, so BBC UK could still remain ad-free.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by NavigatorPaper on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:11AM (#32936086)
They have a remit [0] for what content to create, but don't receive any licence fee

[0] https://www.channel4.com/corporate/about-4/what-we-do/channe...

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by c4ptnjack on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:30PM (#32933844)
Mostly agree with all you have to say minus the reference as Steve carrell being a safe, reliable pick at the time period. Being on the daily show is a great metric for a casting director as far as quality goes but in reality he had close to zero exposure and public recognition before the office.

That fact is supported by how bad the first season of the US office did ratings wise. People warmed up to it quickly thanks to the quality of writing, but the showrunners and producers clearly didn't feel confident in the future success of Steve carrell as a leading star or they wouldn't have ordered he get hair plugs to make him more look more likable.

Lastly, there is something to be said, at least regarding comedy, about differences in taste between cultures. British and US comedy have often been quite different over the last 70 years and is evident in the stylistic differences between the british and us versions of the office in season 1.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by pram on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:37PM (#32934540)
He was in Anchorman as a pretty iconic character, he wasn't exactly obscure.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by jjulius on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:54PM (#32934633)
40 Year Old Virgin came out the same year as the first season of The Office, I'd imagine that helped give it an early boost too (edit: and vice versa).
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by richeyryan on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:45AM (#32936693)
I believe this is why The Office got a second season. The network and audiences weren't convinced by the first season, but Carell became a star overnight, so the network was willing to keep the show going. Then the writing team found their grove, delivered a second season vastly superior to the first, and the rest is history.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by thakoppno on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:06AM (#32934678)
Bruce Almighty in 2003 was his first big theatrical break iirc.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by c4ptnjack on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:36AM (#32935823)
All very true. And he is gold in all of those, although he was still relatively unknown at the time.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ck425 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:46AM (#32935898)
Is there any actual evidence for the Hair Plugs thing? I've heard it frequently but also heard that it was actually lighting and styling.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by mejutoco on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:05AM (#32936049)
We know Ricky Gervais also did not like Steve Carrel. Source: himself during one of the Golden Globe ceremonies he was hosting.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by netsharc on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:42AM (#32937517)
Got a clip? This feels like you being oblivious that he's pretending...
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ChoGGi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:42AM (#32938623)
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by mejutoco on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:15PM (#32941027)
This is a mix including that moment in the Golden Globes. It does not look like pretending to me, but who knows. (around 0:55)
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by mejutoco on Monday September 26, 2022 @06:46AM (#32981455)
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by anonymous_sorry on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:14AM (#32935662)
> And then there's the larger issue of a lot of British TV actors simply not having the recognizability of their American counterparts which is a major selling point

Just a note that I don't think any of the actors in the original version of The Office were recognizable in the UK before it aired. So either it is more important in the US to have a big name attached, or TV execs at least believe so, or they remake it for other reasons and the big name is a nice-to-have.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ck425 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:44AM (#32935880)
I think Martin Freeman was semi-established at the time, though obviously not the renowned actor he is now. And Gervais and Merchant had a small following from their radio show.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by Longlius on Friday September 23, 2022 @10:40AM (#32952560)
The stakes are high for primetime network television in general in the US. Only about 20% of new shows are renewed for a second season, and showrunners desperately want a multi-season TV show to put on their CV.

To add more perspective - of the projects a network picks up in a given year, only about 18% will go on to produce a pilot that same year. And usually if a pilot isn't greenlit for a project in its first year, it's effectively dead. So the fact that the IT Crowd (US) got a pilot at all is already remarkable.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by denton-scratch on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:54AM (#32936759)
There are detective shows called Endeavour and Lewis running (repeats) in the UK; they're offshoots of the Morse series. They have ad-breaks, i.e. the narrative stops and the show titles appear; but there are no ads. I think that's on ITV. And sometimes there are ads between the titles.

There's something I was watching on Sky, that had ad-breaks, but no ads; instead, they showed a still frame saying that normal content would be resumed shortly.

When they do show ads, they are nearly all:

* Motorised recliner armchairs

* No-medical life insurance

* Home equity release plans

* Charity appeals with fluffy puppies and sobbing grandmas.

That is, the ads mostly seem to be pitched at retired people, and the ad slots are being sold to low-budget advertisers. I use a PVR, so I barely notice ads. Most cable and satellite providers these days provide a PVR as part of the service. So my guess is the TV advertising business model is collapsing; only poor people, and people too demented to learn to use a PVR, actually watch ads.

Meanwhile, running an ad slot with no ads in it must be saying something rather loud to potential advertisers: "We can't sell this ad slot, so lowball your bid!".

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ealexhudson on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:33AM (#32937477)
Sky paused adverts recently out of respect to Brenda's passing (though they didn't note that on the static logo). Was that what you saw?

I don't watch TV regularly but I've never seen them run out of adverts for slots; with bidding I would doubt that happens much?

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by denton-scratch on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:30AM (#32938506)
No, that's not what I saw. Firstly, not all Sky ad slots were placeholders; and secondly, "Brenda" (damn, what's that from?) popped her clogs ages ago. The wall-to-wall BBC propaganda ended three days ago. TV presenters are no longer wearing black suits and ties. Newspapers no longer carry a dozen grovelling headlines on the same subject.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by discretion22 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:27AM (#32939226)
Not a reader of Private Eye then? This should help on the Brenda question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_and_organisatio...

You may enjoy Private Eye, worth buying a trial copy.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by denton-scratch on Friday September 23, 2022 @10:12AM (#32952202)
Thanks. I think I last bought a copy of Private Eye about 50 years ago; Ingrams was the editor, and Paul Foot was still writing for them. I loved the schoolboy gags (I was a schoolboy), but they put out some very serious content that the MSM wouldn't touch.

The image was that the PE journalists basically spent their working day hanging out in Fleet Street bars, shooting the breeze with journos from mainstream papers, and collecting gossip. I have no idea how accurate that picture is.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by andylynch on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:34AM (#32937973)
It was mildly annoying that they dropped the ads, but kept the breaks, just showing a card saying ’no ads here’ for several minutes at a time. I guess they went for the minimal effort approach to maintain timings.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by LAC-Tech on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:48AM (#32934901)
Let's face it, the US office was a more engaging show cast with funnier & better looking actors. That's really the secret to its success - it was just really good, end season slump not withstanding.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by colordrops on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:13AM (#32935018)
It's subjective - I found the UK office to be more funny and authentic. I couldn't watch the US version without cringing at the unnatural sitcom-iness of it.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by highwaylights on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:05AM (#32935601)
To be fair the US office was as misguided and unfunny as this IT crowd remake until they started deviating from the source material.

Michael Scott not being David Brent is what saved the US office, and going in a wildly different direction is what allowed it to become what it ultimately did.

I say this as someone who loved both shows.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:12AM (#32939017)
American humour is it's own thing and I never understood why they ever attempted to remake things 1 to 1. I started watching the US Office a few seasons in and for a long time never realised the early episodes were so misguided. I think having independent versions of The Office tailored to each country would have been a fantastic concept.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by LAC-Tech on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:18AM (#32935047)
I think my issue with the UK office is that it was just too bleak and dull to be funny. I got the jokes, but it didn't make laugh, just made me kind of feel worse about life.

This is not a "UK comedy is has more flawed characters" thing either, IT Crowd, Peep Show were full of terrible, flawed, miserable human beings but there were still some drama & larger than life aspects to those shows that gave it some element of "relief". UK office has no relief, it's just pure misery.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by emsixteen on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:12AM (#32935298)
> UK office [..] was just too bleak and dull

> [..] has no relief, it's just pure misery.

That's kind of the entire point mate. There is plenty of relief, but it's not your typical American sitcom relief.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by blowski on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:57AM (#32935563)
I think Bill Bryson commented that, in the US, the dominant culture is an excited hope about how much better the future will be. In the UK, our culture is a mild surprise that things aren’t worse than they are right now.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by LAC-Tech on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:57AM (#32935564)
Yeah look I understand the UK is a bleak and miserable place filled with bleak and miserable people, mate. But to those who have dwelt in lands with sunshine and hope the original Office is a shock to the senses.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ungamedplayer on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:23AM (#32935711)
As someone who physically lives in neither, and in the "Sunshine state" of Australia. The original office wasn't a shock to my senses. Australia is definitely closer to British humour than americano humour.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by rsynnott on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:38AM (#32936660)
I think it'd be fair to say that the US has now somewhat embraced the less happy cheerful variety of sitcom; a lot of modern US stuff falls into that category. It definitely hadn't in 2005 when the US Office came out, though.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by nikau on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:39AM (#32935136)
The UK office felt like it could have been a genuine documentary vs the American version which felt more like a sit com.

Not sure how you can find this bleak and dull:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Eaz-1_3iA

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by cfn on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:09AM (#32935280)
Although it is funny it is mostly cringey and, if you have ever worked in an office in the UK (in Slough of all places) it brings back some of the bleakness and dullness of the average office in the UK.

Having said that, if you know the context, that is, if you have watched the series, the looks and expressions of the actors are priceless, relatable and advance the story in what could have been a just slapstick moment.

I never know if I love or hate the Office UK as some scenes bring me to tears and others I just can't watch to the end. It is a masterfull piece of TV. I have only watched a few scenes of the US version on YouTube and I find them funny. It is a very different beast.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by petepete on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:08AM (#32935619)
Knowing the landscape of British TV at the time makes you appreciate The Office even more. It was awash with fly on the wall documentaries following people around their daily and working lives.

Stars of these programmes were just making their way into celebrity, like Jeremy Spake and Maureen from Driving School, and the people on slightly later shows knew their fame could be a path to them 'making it'. David Brent falls right into this category.

The Office was so incredibly well observed and authentic, it's a work of art.

The US one had other goals, it's just an American sitcom with a nod to mockumentary and zany unbelievable antics.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by mejutoco on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:01AM (#32936006)
I feel exactly the same way. Shows like Black Books or In betweeners I find funny with a dark humour, but there is a kind of uk comedy show (Staht lets flats, Peep show, Friday night dinner) that I just find depressing.

The usually involve some "loser" character getting hit with unfortunate circumstances over and over.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by Accacin on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:15AM (#32936509)
Holy shit I haven't watched Black Books in years, I absolutely loved that show. Hard disagree on the Peep Show, it's one of the greatest shows ever but I will admit I couldn't get through the first series for the longest time before it clicked and I binged the whole lot :)
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by rsynnott on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:50AM (#32936725)
> Friday night dinner

The TV execs evidently don't agree with you; Friday Night Dinner is currently on its _fourth_ attempt at an American remake. I can't imagine it working out well.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ehnto on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:23AM (#32935066)
I can't watch any show set in an office. They are relatable, but not in a pleasant way.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by laumars on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:36AM (#32935453)
Same but I found Parks and Recreation a welcome change
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by klelatti on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:38AM (#32935834)
I think you're missing out the fact that it's also very, very funny indeed.
Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by ck425 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:53AM (#32935951)
Imo the success of the US Office is that it took the cringeworthy hyper relatable observational comedy of the UK Office and made it a little more hopeful. It lost some of the shock power of original but made it far more addictive as comfort TV. It's still really funny and relatable but also slightly escapist in a way the original isn't. Thus 9 seasons vs 2 and a christmas special.

That said it's been years since I watched the original (I've watched the US one far far too many times over the pandemic) and all this chat makes me want to rewatch again.

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by corobo on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:45AM (#32936695)
I honestly can't remember the UK office. No faces no names no plot lines. I just finished another US office binge.

Going to get my UK passport rejected saying this haha. I definitely prefer the American underlying hope than the British underlying despair. I've already got the latter built in!

Re:The IT Crowd US Pilot (2007) [video] by rsynnott on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:36AM (#32936648)
Another issue, which we tend to forget about in this age of 4K and so on, was that a lot of these shows were filmed on digital betamax or similar (and before that on analog magnetic formats). For a British show, that would typically mean 576i 50Hz PAL, and it would just not look great on most equipment when transmitted as 480i 60Hz NTSC. Some shows were filmed on film (I think this was more common in the US) and those were easier to deal with, but horrible picture quality would have been a concern.