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Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by goatlover on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @05:57PM (#32830696)
At least Vernor Vinge gave a date range for the singularity. Initially, he said he would be surprised if it happened before 2000 and after 2020. I think he's moved that goalpost forward a decade or two since.

Kurzweil just says 2045, because that's where his chart or accelerating returns tells him it will happen.

Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by abecedarius on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @07:05PM (#32831275)
That didn't quite match my memory of Vinge, so fwiw I just checked the two earliest publications I know of:

> Such trend-curves... extrapolated 30 or 40 years they are so high and steep that even the most naive futurist discounts their accuracy.

(That's the closest therein to a specific prediction date, from 1983: https://imgur.com/a/HrUxGts)

> let me more specific: I'll be surprised if this event occurs before 2005 or after 2030.

From 1993: https://edoras.sdsu.edu/~vinge/misc/singularity.html

Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by goatlover on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @07:49PM (#32831582)
Okay, maybe I remembered it wrong, or someone else gave that range. Vinge has about 8 more years to be surprised.
Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by TigeriusKirk on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:20PM (#32832568)
Specifically he would be surprised if there isn't a computer with greater than human intelligence by 2030.

It's interesting that 29 years after he said that, and 8 years remaining on the timeline, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by abecedarius on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:00AM (#32833487)
One of the example possibilities mentioned in one of his essays or interviews was, what if with some poorly-understood tweaks to neural network training, it started working much better at scale? At the time I thought he was really reaching with that one.
Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by bee_rider on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @06:24PM (#32830946)
Is there supposed to be an implication of "if it doesn't happen by 2020 I don't think it will ever happen" in the Vinge prediction?
Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by goatlover on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @07:47PM (#32831574)
No, it's he would be surprised if it happened later.
Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by bee_rider on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @08:26PM (#32831831)
The phrase "I'll be surprised if this happens later" is ambiguous, I'm wondering if that was intentional.
Re:Futurist prediction methods and accuracy by bombcar on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @06:07PM (#32830806)
It is always wise to make your date after your estimated death but before your customers.