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Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by bombcar on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:56PM (#32741561)
From that PR it seems partial compliance is what got them burned. They obviously knew what ads were political because they put some information about them up, but not all.

If they had simply not complied at all and tried to blame their customers for not classifying the ads correctly, it might have gone a bit better in their favor.

Related, it's still insane that companies can basically argue "this ad that thousands upon thousands will see cannot be reviewed by hand even once because that would be too hard".

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by zh3 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:03PM (#32741690)
Funnily enough, I was involved in a project that did dynamically generated real-time adverts (specifically updating betting odds in real time). It crashed and burned because Facebook insisted every advert has to be reviewed and approved beforehand.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by whimsicalism on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:33PM (#32742121)
Yeah I think that would only really work as an in-house feature.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:58PM (#32741591)
> If they had simply not complied at all and tried to blame their customers for not classifying the ads correctly, it might have gone a bit better in their favor

This would have been blatant contempt of court. What they did was slightly less blatant.

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by pc86 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:23PM (#32741980)
How so?
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:27PM (#32742042)
> How so?

Facebook and Washington "entered into a stipulated judgment that covered Meta’s violations through November 30, 2018" in 2018 [1]. (It required Facebook "no longer 'accept ads that relate to Washington’s state or local elected officials, candidates, elections or ballot initiatives.'")

Not complying at all with requests from the AG, i.e. arguing they had no knowledge about the situation (versus that they misunderstood the rules), could thus be interpreted as willful violation of the judgement.

[1] https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/174_StatesMSJ.PDF page 3

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by morelisp on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:18PM (#32741912)
> contempt of court

what

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by throwawaypppu on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:53PM (#32742367)
They got done on not publishing data that, from my quick skim, would not come from human review. e.g. targeting data etc.

I can only assume Meta feels the risk/costs of fines are less than the bennefit of not disclosing who pays them big dollars for targeting certain demographics. I.e not provide ammunition for law makers to come after them in more costly area.

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by cogman10 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:16PM (#32742647)
This is more a "they don't want the public to know" than law makers. If law makers want that data, they can subpoena it. Companies don't have any sort of privacy rights to prevent governments from pulling their data.

What would happen if meta defied a subpoena? IDK TBH. Perhaps a total shutdown until they comply? IDK if a company has ever defied a congressional subpoena.

This case was about civil liability so the rules are all a little different. Not giving data during discovery generally means adverse inferences are made by the court (IE, this data is so bad that we have no choice but to believe what the plaintiff is saying about it).

Defying subpoenas, though, generally results in contempt and fines. For an individual, that'd mean jail time.

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by freeAgent on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:33PM (#32744062)
Hard = cut into our profits.

If it can’t be automated, Facebook isn’t interested in complying.

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by bushbaba on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:38PM (#32742181)
Because it is too hard while still letting the SMB market access to the platform.

Requiring a human to review each ad increases the fixed cost of serving a campaign.

Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by ballenf on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:50PM (#32742332)
Surely a cutoff in impression #s for hand review would be feasible? Even if the cutoff started absurdly high as logistics were ironed out. And then no cutoff for certain classes of ads, like political.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by TremendousJudge on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:20PM (#32741941)
They need to argue that, because otherwise it would eat into their bottom line to the point of unprofitability. You can't run a service for billions of people with less than 100k employees that also has an editor review everything.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by giantg2 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:25PM (#32742012)
If it's unable to comply with the law and stay profitable, then maybe they should go out of business.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by TremendousJudge on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:44PM (#32742955)
Yeah, I completely agree. I wasn't trying to imply that I condone their behavior.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:38PM (#32742173)
Or change their business model.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by ThePadawan on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:46PM (#32742283)
Fully agree! See also "loud pipes save lives".
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by InitialLastName on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:28PM (#32742049)
"We can't follow legal requirements at this scale" isn't an excuse we should be accepting from companies that want to continue operating.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by dogleash on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:27PM (#32742047)
That's a terrible argument as the thing to be reviewed (advertisement (not "everything")) is directly connected to a revenue stream and the level of time spent on reviews scales with the amount of income.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by hazeii on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:28PM (#32742052)
How do they charge per advert? If I was paying someone hundreds - or thousands - of dollars, I'd certainly expect some degree of personal service.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by whimsicalism on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:34PM (#32742131)
The "personal service" is that they have created an entire social media platform just to serve your ads.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by pc86 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:24PM (#32741989)
Billions of people are not buying Facebook ads.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by gloryjulio on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:56PM (#32742419)
I am curious about how other similar platforms handle this problem (like youtube) handles this kind of problems. If someone could provide some insight it would be great
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by TremendousJudge on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:50PM (#32743023)
They are all the same way, maybe even worse. Google is notoriously allergic to having real people in any step of a workflow, even for paying customers. Twitter is currently going through its own battle with the fact that a huge chunk of the userbase isn't even real. Amazon product quality is going down due to lack of manual quality checking of their sellers. And so on. The culprit is always the same: real people don't scale to the expectations of shareholders, so everything gets automated, and then some very real people show up and exploit the system.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by sixothree on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:47PM (#32742299)
If they can afford to buy personal information about its users, they can afford basic compliance.
Re:Judge rules Facebook parent Meta intentionally violated c... by TomSwirly on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:15AM (#32747952)
You: "If they complied with the law, then they wouldn't be profitable."

It seems your conclusion is, "Therefore they should be above the law."

No, that isn't how it works. They *must* comply with the law, and if they cannot be profitable when they are not a criminal entity, then they should go out of business.