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Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by ramesh31 on Monday September 05, 2022 @11:54PM (#32732627)
At a certain point these articles have blended into the background “this thing is bad for you” noise. We’ve all had COVID at this point. Either we will or we won’t have complications down the line. I don’t care to worry about it anymore.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by azinman2 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:02AM (#32732678)
I haven't had COVID at this point, and information like this helps me understand how much I should be trying to continue this conservative lifestyle that's let me avoid it thus far.

It's helpful to know what the complications are, because not only can people better understand the potential source of issues, it helps direct research & attention to where it's needed for treatment.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by rosywoozlechan on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:44AM (#32732937)
I've been avoiding people since this all began. I haven't gotten it yet. I'm in very good health, very fit and lean, but I keep seeing people I know are more fit than I am get sick, like Dr. Mike Israetel just recently got symptomatic covid again. Not many people are as fit as he is. I honestly think the only reason I haven't gotten sick yet is because I largely avoid people. Going to keep avoiding it until people stop getting sick from it.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by christkv on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @05:06AM (#32734677)
Well it’s endemic so it will never go away just join the generic group of cold viruses
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by rootusrootus on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:06AM (#32732707)
Given that many people don't have any symptoms, how do you know that you haven't had it? The latest wave seemed to be very thorough at infecting every last person.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by kitsunesoba on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:13AM (#32732752)
If one has been working remotely, gotten everything delivered, and not spent any time out and about since January it's reasonable to assume that they never caught it. Little to no contact with outsiders means little to no chance of contracting it.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by plutonorm on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:36AM (#32734492)
Covid is as catchy as measles. That means it's probably not just airborn but exceptionally so. It's in the air outside. It's in air in ventilation systems. It's in the sewers. There are cases where outbreaks have happened within buildings when the virus came up through the toilets, spreading from flat to flat despite complete lockdown. It's very likely that you have caught it already despite the precautions.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by ramesh31 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:53AM (#32733001)
Good lord are people still doing that? I understand if you’re immunocompromised. But get over it. We have the shots. It’s just a flu now for healthy people.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by freeone3000 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @01:02AM (#32733067)
I think this article, and the other "background noise", are evidence that it is a severe disease with lifelong consequences. Maybe the flu is as well! But these measures work for both.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by timr on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:33AM (#32734470)
This article tells you nothing useful in terms of evaluating your own personal risk. They recruited people with symptoms, in order to see if they could explain the symptoms. It tells you nothing about the risk to any random person of experiencing the same symptoms.

For all you know, you could have faced the exact same risk from myriad other viruses every year of your life before 2020; we simply never looked.

Regardless, you're going to get Covid. It is inevitable. It isn't going away. You can get it when you're younger and healthier, or you can get it when you're older and sicker. The only truly tragic difference is how many years of your life you might give up trying to hide from it in the meantime.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by trention on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @09:31AM (#32736849)
>Regardless, you're going to get Covid. It is inevitable. It isn't going away. You can get it when you're younger and healthier, or you can get it when you're older and sicker.

You know you're full of sh*t when you still treat covid as a one-time infection when it's perfectly clear that it will reinfect you at best on a biyearly basis.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by timr on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:09PM (#32739117)
I said nothing about reinfection, but you're right: you're going to get it multiple times in your life, just like any other circulating coronavirus, the risk of which you've completely neglected in every prior year you have been alive.

You can't do anything about it. You have a choice: you can lock yourself indoors, keep your face hidden, and live in perpetual anxiety -- in a futile attempt to stave off the inevitable -- based on questionable research. Alternatively, you can accept that life comes with some level of risk.

What you can't do, no matter how much you hide and curse at others, is avoid a respiratory virus.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by trention on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:19PM (#32740988)
The fact that you are going to get reinfected has a significant bearing on your ridiculous implicit claim made here:

> You can get it when you're younger and healthier, or you can get it when you're older and sicker.

that you are better off getting infected sooner rather than later and that there is only negative value to be had in postponing infection.

>What you can't do, no matter how much you hide and curse at others, is avoid a respiratory virus.

You may want to keep that sentiment for when a 30+% IFR respiratory virus like MERS causes a pandemic which, given the law of large numbers, will absolutely happen. Then, the attitude "you can do nothing" leads to only one thing - total civilizational collapse. (BTW, measles and rubella are both respiratory viruses that I have avoided and will continue to avoid but thanks for again proving the point that you have no idea what you are talking about.)

But looking at your submission history, I don't intend to lose any more time with the definition of covidiotism.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:39PM (#32742199)
Most of us are able to avoid measles and rubella because the vaccines are highly effective at preventing infection and transmission. By contrast, the COVID-19 vaccines are pretty good at preventing severe symptoms but do little to prevent infection and transmission. Attempting to avoid SARS-CoV-2 is utterly pointless; unless you live like a hermit, you're going to be occasionally exposed no matter what.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by trention on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:52PM (#32743046)
>attempting to avoid SARS-CoV-2 is utterly pointless

Maybe you should start by learning about cumulative probability and hence why n/2 infections carry less risk than n infections.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:39PM (#32744106)
Biology can seldom be reduced to such simplistic calculations. Do you have any actual evidence for that claim? Please provide a quantitative estimate of the relative risk reduction for a serious adverse cardiac event under your proposed course of action, and show your work.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by trention on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:41AM (#32749300)
It is axiomatically true that a repeated event that carries non-zero probability for an adverse effect increases the cumulative probability of said adverse effect when it recurs.

I don't need to show any work since covid infection AND reinfection has already been proven beyond any doubt to have non-zero risk of adverse effects on those that don't die from the infection. So either provide proof that covid reinfection carries 0 risk of permanent sequelae or stop wasting my time with the ridiculous claim that reducing the number of times someone is getting reinfected has no health benefit.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Thursday September 08, 2022 @08:29AM (#32764534)
There is no such axiomatic truth. You are making things up and posting medical misinformation. Please provide peer reviewed citations for your claims.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by trention on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:14AM (#32766785)
This:

>a repeated event that carries non-zero probability for an adverse effect increases the cumulative probability of said adverse effect when it recurs.

is true by logical necessity. It doesn't need peer-review citation because is it's a synthetic apriori proposition (and also straight out of Probability 101, which unsurprisingly you haven't attended/understood), it's not an empirical claim depending on data.

I would say "learn to read with comprehension" but I fear it's not possible.

>posting medical misinformation

Very rich coming from a person literally reposting conspiracy talking points off from antivax twitter.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:19PM (#32767770)
Stop lying. I haven't posted anything from "antivax twitter".

You are making things up without scientific basis.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by OrvalWintermute on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:09PM (#32752490)
trention,

you need to provide some evidence instead of endlessly misusing some heuristic, or principle like Occam's Razor.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by OrvalWintermute on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:07PM (#32752468)
trention has no evidence.

He also misapplies principles like Occam's Razor, in Latin ""Numquam ponenda est pluritas sine necessitate" (Multiples should not be posited without necessity) and cumulative probabilities, despite not knowing the science on infection seropositivity, and having a situation that literally demands multiples.

In a complex situation where there are multiple causes, and multiple effects simultaneously due to multiple agents taking action, he refuses to provide evidence and then blames it all on covid deaths, even when the deaths are happening among working age individuals which by their very nature, are less likely to have multiple comorbidities or the advanced age which are more likely to be associated with Covid fatalities.

He does not accept that the governors that sequestered covid patients in nursing homes with highly vulnerable residents have any culpability for the wildfire infections that killed many of our most vulnerable. Nope, he brushes all that away too.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nishs on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @11:00PM (#32745889)
i’ve noticed the same about their comments. and i didn’t even have to look at their history, because their batshit opinions, downplaying covid and long covid, have been obvious in every thread about covid i’ve seen on this site.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by diabeticApe on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @01:36AM (#32733286)
Idk, I have a brother that was double jabbed and boosted and he still got it. Granted most of my family with similar vaccination records never got it at all. Meanwhile an aunt who never vaccinated never got it either while other family members (many with pre-existong conditions) pre-vaccine passed away from it early on. Not sure if its worth worrying about to the extent that it seems out of our hands but still worth keeping tabs on in case something changes. Seems a little random sometimes but mostly consistent with the idea that people with pre-existing conditions are the most at risk but there could be other reasons why some that dont vaccinate dont get sick. If its diet related for example that would be very useful to know.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by awiesenhofer on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:16AM (#32733575)
> double jabbed and boosted and he still got it.

Thats not how vaccines work. They don't protect you from getting it, they protect you IF you get it!

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by osigurdson on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:16AM (#32735103)
Actually, that is how most vaccines work. Just not these vaccines.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by spoonjim on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @01:45AM (#32733339)
A lot of us enjoy life better this way. I realized through COVID that I fuckin hate people.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by azinman2 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @01:14AM (#32733145)
I can’t be absolutely certain, but I’m high risk so it’s unlikely to be asymptomatic. I also haven’t dined indoor or anything of the like. Been extra careful. It would be very surprising if I had.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by yourusername on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:29AM (#32734069)
>I haven't had COVID at this point, and information like this helps me understand how much I should be trying to continue this conservative lifestyle that's let me avoid it thus far.

Is it your conservative lifestyle? I haven't been taking any precautions and i haven't had covid yet either.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by quickthrower2 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @07:36AM (#32735670)
I didn’t get it for a long time until it went gangbusters through this area and you’d pretty much need the agoraphobic lifestyle to avoid getting it.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by sprior on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:03AM (#32732685)
Same situation as you and totally agreed.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by GolDDranks on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:05AM (#32732699)
I haven't had it, and I certainly don't want it, reading these articles.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:54AM (#32733004)
The virus isn't going away so you're going to get it whether you want it or not. Unless you avoid all human contact, which is obviously worse and more unhealthy than any respiratory virus.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nishs on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:05AM (#32734307)
> Unless you avoid all human contact […]

Here comes the straw man.

Secondly, the original comment was likely talking about doing their best* to avoid infection. Doing one’s best but failing is an acceptable outcome. Even if one fails, being infected once is better than being infected twice. In general, for covid, being infected as few times as possible is a good thing and a worthwhile goal.

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*For some people, doing their best might even include doing some relatively unsafe activities on a whim occasionally. Being so doesn’t make them hypocrites.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:28AM (#32736206)
There's no point in trying when failure is inevitable.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nishs on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:27PM (#32742048)
Humbly speaking, failure isn’t inevitable in avoiding covid infection. For example, if you’re fortunate enough to work from home, you’re already nearly there. The rest is curbside pickups, home deliveries for groceries, and responsible N95/P100 mask wearing.

Also, did you read the comment you’re replying to? I repeat its point: Failing once is better than failing twice. Failing twice better than failing thrice. And so on.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @01:55AM (#32746874)
So you're suggesting that people eliminate all direct human contact just to avoid a minor respiratory virus with a >99% survival rate? It's sad to see people fall into mental illnesses like germophobia.

https://www.verywellmind.com/diagnosing-a-specific-phobia-26...

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nishs on Sunday September 11, 2022 @06:35PM (#32803923)
> So you're suggesting that people eliminate all direct human contact [...]

> There's no point in trying when failure is inevitable.

I didn't ask that you eliminate all human contact. I called you out for telling other people that trying to avoid it is futile and for discouraging others from doing so.

In any case, one can still do their best to avoid covid, without necessarily avoiding human contact. Avoiding all human contact is just your straw man, it seems.

> a minor respiratory virus with a >99% survival rate

It's not the acute phase that matters. I (and most people) don't care about the acute phase. So your patronizing about phobias was not only unnecessary but also widely off the mark.

Covid isn't just a respiratory illness, like the common cold, that ends with a 'full' recovery after the acute phase. The post-acute phase* incidence and morbidity is on another level of magnitude. Covid presents as a respiratory illness in its acute phase. In its post-acute phase, covid is vascular and neurological. Some physicians consider it airborne thrombotic vasculitis, since it causes clotting and damage to multiple organ systems after initial infection.

For many, post-covid disorders are typically characterized by serious issues such as brain damage--or "brain fog," to be cutesy; postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS); post-exertional malaise (PEM); and myalgic encephalomyelitis-like chronic fatigue--or "fatigue," to be dismissive. So much so that 1/3 of 10 MM job unfilled job vacancies in the US are estimated to be due to long covid absences.

*Many other viral illnesses, e.g., dengue virus, HIV, EBV, present post-acute phase issues, so this isn't unique or surprising.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by GolDDranks on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:18PM (#32828234)
Bullshit. I haven't been eliminating all my direct human contact, and I've been fine. I've taken some reasonable safety precautions. I recognize that I've been somewhat lucky this far, but I think that I've had a reasonable take on the risks associated.

Edit: I also realize that I've been exceptionally lucky in where I live. Tokyoites have been taking the illness seriously until now. The signs of fatigue are there, so not sure if that'll continue, but at least I've managed to earn some time; the later to catch the disease, the better!

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by GolDDranks on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:12PM (#32828163)
In the meanwhile, a vaccine targeting BA.4 and BA.5 is being approved at these moments where I live. If I manage to avoid an infection for some another months and get the jab, I guess I'll be fine for the time being.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by cma on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:59AM (#32733043)
The metaverse gets facetracking next month.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nishs on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:01AM (#32734282)
The absolutes in this comment show heavy bias.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by osigurdson on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:53AM (#32732997)
There is nothing wrong with this comment other than "all" should instead be "most.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by qbasic_forever on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:37AM (#32732894)
You sound like you're suicidal or suffering severe depression if you have that little care for your own life or future.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by osigurdson on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:42AM (#32732924)
That is quite the logical jump. OP might just prefer not to worry about it anymore, which honestly seems to be the case for most people these days. Two years is a long time to be ultra-careful about everything.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by qbasic_forever on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:45AM (#32732945)
What they're espousing is pure nihilism, AKA "if I die, I die". It's not a good attitude with a novel virus that has killed over a million folks in America so far! It's not hard to take simple mitigations like mask wearing to prevent catching it or prevent getting reinfected over and over from it.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nradov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:56AM (#32733020)
What a silly comment. Regular people obviously aren't going to spend the rest of their lives wearing masks (which aren't even completely effective anyway). You're likely to get infected (or reinfected) no matter what you do.
Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by ramesh31 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:56AM (#32733021)
> What they're espousing is pure nihilism, AKA "if I die, I die". It's not a good attitude with a novel virus that has killed over a million folks in America so far!

It’s not nihilistic. It’s realistic. The virus is no longer “novel”. And its’ only danger was its novelty. We are vaccinated now. Life can resume. Unless you want to spend your life also worrying about polio, measels, HPV, and whatever else we’ve beaten and learned to live with.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by nishs on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:35PM (#32742143)
I can’t believe that the sibling comment:

> Vaccinated people are not protected against catching and spreading the disease, and they're not protected from long COVID or even heart issues like this paper shows. […]

has been downvoted/flagged. This site has really gone downhill over the last decade. Wishful, uninformed thinking, that goes against the reality of covid & long covid described in the quoted portion.

Re:Long-term cardiac pathology in individuals with mild init... by trention on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:29AM (#32733650)
We definitely don't "live with" polio and measles, not in the sense the usual *** in the comments use this phrase.

We are also well on our way to stop living with HPV - but of course antivaxxers there are also sabotaging.