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Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by vlan0 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @07:48AM (#32563413)
Eh, you could take out Twitter and insert many other company names and it'll still hold true. And those companies hold so much more sensitive data about you than Twitter.

I know of insurance companies that have help desk employees with domain admin access. And all crippling ransomware attacks take advantage lax permissions.

This is rampant. How is this a story?

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by hotpotamus on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:01AM (#32563541)
Cybersecurity is one of my roles I suppose (small place with an operations team of approximately 2.5), and I have to say that I have no idea what proper security is supposed to mean today; it's very hard for me to tell the marketing from best practice now. It seems like what most products really are is an ass covering service so you can tell your leadership and your customers that you did the right things.

Basically we work on keeping everything patched and try not to create any obvious issues. Honestly, I think the best thing we have going for us is obscurity.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by dogman144 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:50AM (#32564898)
Eval yourselves with the NIST Cybersecurity Framework and you’ll get a good idea of where to work on. It’s useful to guide an early stage security program doing all the things.

Also, build a risk matrix of security risks the company can face by impact vs likelihood of the risk happening. Get someone senior to sign off on it.

Use the NIST CSF and the risk registry with senior leadership support to guide the work you do.

Itll be easier if you think about security as understanding your risk posture as an org, and that risk is either fixed at your level, carefully escalated to outside your teams for a fix, or labeled and accepted risk. security teams should never be the ones to accept risk, so get a a manager to see and acknowledge in writing whenever it’s decided to just roll with a known vuln you’re Unable to fix without more time/money/tech. Try to fix as many risks as possible at your level as to not build an alarmist rep. Then, that leaves space to escalate into cross-team fixes (and you can point to the NIST CSF and the risk register with a senior leader’s sit side as a baseline reason for why they need to fix it).

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mellavora on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:09AM (#32565162)
It is also about governance.

Do you have runbooks for your systems? (describes how to operate the system normally.)

What about playbooks? (how to handle errors)

Have you game-day-ed various failures? How long does it take you to restore everything from backup? What order do you bring your systems up?

What level of monitoring do you have on your systems? Can you spot unusual activity? How quickly?

What sorts of firewalls? Say "system X" is compromised. How far could damage spread from there?

Obscurity won't protect you when cybercrime is a business model.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by gsatic on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:16AM (#32563698)
Corporate robots don't care.

They have gotten away with so much for so long, they live in their own disconnected reality.

When things break some of them cash out. Others find someone to blame. They don't pay a price at all. And the cycle continue.

In China atleast people are scared of the govt. In the west its a total joke how no one is ever held responsible.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by 12many on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:31AM (#32564658)
Yikes, I wouldn't boast about being scared of a govt. That's on the cusp of being fascist.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by kvathupo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @12:41PM (#32567517)
I think the commenter brings up an interesting point that China more effectively regulates industries that commit wrong [1]. I wouldn't reduce their point to being tantamount to fascism; rather, I read @gsatic as arguing for equal application of the law. This seems fundamental to the US constitution vis à vis John Locke: people (corporations in this case) cede rights for security. If we give corporations regulatory fines that pale in comparison to revenue as a result of malfeasance, are we allowing companies to enjoy our society's benefits, without having to sacrifice the same rights others do?

[1] - Of course, this isn't the complete picture: China has a penchant for arbitrarily dealing a heavy hand to law-abiding companies/persons.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by reitanqild on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:31AM (#32565463)
Isn't the ideal something like:

Citizens should respect Government, and Government should fear citizens?

I think we are straying away from both of these at the moment.

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Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by dd36 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:23AM (#32564550)
Right. Democracy is fake…
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by markwisde on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:14AM (#32564443)
I’m a security engineer and nobody knows what’s best practice. Everyone is making it up at this point, and security is still a nascent field. Most companies don’t even have a security team.

I think it’s still not clear how you should build a security org, and if you should at all (should security be part of normal workstreams of your devs?)

Btw I wrote about my experience in https://securityhandbook.io/

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by dd36 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:21AM (#32564529)
Is there even best practice for non-cyber security at private businesses?
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by shagie on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:50AM (#32564902)
There is a best practice... but the issue is that the "best practice" is something that gets abused for cargo culting and stopping at the discovery of the best practice.

Some time back, I got a copy of "A Practical Guide for Policy Analysis: The Eightfold Path to More Effective Problem Solving" so that I could properly quote back the use of best practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_practice

With most times people are looking at best practices, they skip to the decide step without defining the problem - that's even been done here. Is there a best practice for non-cybersecurity at private business? Well, yes - but first, what is the problem that is trying to be solved? There's no "get this book of everything to do and you're good". On the other hand a "we have customer data that includes PII data, we need to secure the data and prevent casual examination of it in house" is a problem that can be looked at and a best practice can be found.

The best practices involve a survey of looking at other organizations and seeing what they have done - what worked and what didn't.

> Part IV "Smart (Best) Practices" Research - Understanding and Making Use of Whatlook Like Good Ideas from Somewhere Else

> It is only sensible to see what kinds of solutions have been tried in other jurisdictions, agencies, or locales. You want to look for those that appear to have worked pretty well, try to understand exactly how and why they may have worked, and evaluate their applicability to your own situation. IN many circles, this is known as "best practices" research. Simple and commonsensical as this process sounds, it represents many methodological and practical pitfalls. The most important of these is relying on anecdotes and on very limited empirical observations for your ideas. To some extent, these are - one hopes - supplemented by smart theorizing. This method is never perfectly satisfactory, but in the real world the alternative is not usually more empiricism but, rather, no thoughtless theorizing.

> Develop Realistic Expectations

> Semantic Tip First, don't be mislead by the word best in so-called best practice research. Rarely will you have any confidence that some helpful-looking practice is actually the best among all those that address the same problem or opportunity. The extensive and careful research needed to document a claim of best will almost never have been done. Usually, you will be looking for what, more modestly, might be called "good practices."

---

A "here is a list of all the best practices, follow these" is the wrong way to try to use best practices but rather relabeled cargo cult security.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by infosecSnowman on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:14AM (#32564436)
I've recently gotten a lot of good guidance on security best practice from a new boss. A great place to start is the CIS 18 critical security controls. They cover most things for protecting an organization.

Walk through the controls list, see where you compare to the controls and sub-controls and then start to establish a path forward.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by trasz on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:13PM (#32573855)
>It seems like what most products really are is an ass covering service

You do have a pretty good idea then. Sadly, this is exactly what it looks like at the moment: because business decisions are made by clueless dummies, there’s no way to sell a proper product; to make money you need to focus on snake oil instead.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by nannal on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:09AM (#32563635)
Consult with a security firm or specialist and they should be able to steer you in the right direction.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by chadash on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:27AM (#32563838)
Two problems with this:

1) Like a car mechanic, these people get paid to sell you solutions and they are incentivized to sell you more.

2) Plenty or honest people have biases because of what they do. If you spend all day thinking about security you might be overly concerned about things that are actually not that risky.

This isn’t to say that there aren’t great people working in the field. But it’s daunting from an outsiders perspective.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mrex on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:11AM (#32564409)
Develop sufficient in-house subject matter expertise so that you're not depending on sales consultants to do your cyber program for you.

Develop an empirical understanding of risk management. While we can't predict the future, through well established techniques and adequate resourcing, professionals can achieve consistent results that are far better than random guessing. Risk management principles drive not just corporate stragegy writ large, but entire industries like banking and insurance.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by nannal on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:36AM (#32605578)
To answer points 1 & 2, you're more than permitted to think for yourself and establish if their recommendations are worth perusing. You could even get multiple opinions and see if there are any recurring themes that might suggest areas to look at first.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by analyst74 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:53AM (#32564179)
It's still comes down to a matter of urgency or value perception.

You don't want your doctor to overlook any problems just because they are rare because your health is really valuable.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:14AM (#32564442)
With the example of the doctor you run into the nocebo effect - you can spend a lot of time tracking down things that turn out to be of very low value which ends up causing more harm than good. To painfully extend the metaphor you could have an overly aggressive password policy and end up having users reusing passwords or writing them down.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by bartread on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @07:58AM (#32563514)
> How is this a story?

Cynically, because it's twitter, and it's trendy amongst a certain subset of the population to bash social media in general and twitter in particular. And I think your point is fair.

(FWIW, I think social media has if not caused, then certainly exacerbated, some major problems at individual, societal, and global levels, but by no means do I think twitter is the biggest contributor. I don't think we'd see the kind of unconstructive political polarisation we're seeing in the US and UK and perhaps, to a lesser extent, within the EU, without it.)

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by zinekeller on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:02AM (#32563554)
My reasoned mind says it's due to the recent disclosure in Twitter due to linking of phone numbers to people, while my other mind says it's Elon finding anything to make Twitter give up their case.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by blitzar on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:58AM (#32565007)
> in Twitter due to linking of phone numbers to people

Except like the linkedin "hack" which was just a scrape of peoples profiles, the twitter "hack" was someone running phone numbers through the "upload you contacts and find your friends account" feature.

They are both barely stories, except to remind people that posting stuff publicly is public.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by BlueGh0st on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:40AM (#32565576)
>..the twitter "hack" was someone running phone numbers through the "upload you contacts and find your friends account" feature.

>They are both barely stories, except to remind people that posting stuff publicly is public.

The reoccurring issue is that Twitter and other companies are convincing (and often forcing) you to do something unsafe like linking your phone number, while telling you that your data will be kept private and at the same time opting you in by default, or aggressively marketing, an option that compromises your security.

I'm sure you may be smart enough to know this compromises your anonymity, allows stalkers to find your phone number, etc. but the 99% of users wont.

Linking everything to a phone number is a major dark pattern that benefits the corporations while compromising the user. So rightfully, these malicious and harmful practices should be called out.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by shadowgovt on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:53AM (#32565775)
Additionally, Twitter collected PII and then did a bad job protecting it. We don't see a phone-numbers-leaked story like this out of Google, which has had 2FA with phone number deployed for years.

Twitter has some 200+ million daily active users and should act like it.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by blitzar on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @11:10AM (#32566035)
Decide whether people who have your email address or phone number can find and connect with you on Twitter. If you select yes, then someone with l33t skills can "hack" twitter and type in your email / phone number and get your twitter handle (or just put it in their contacts and click a button in the twitter app aka l33t hax0r skills)

The reason there isnt "leak" from google is because they dont offer the functionality to look up your account by your phone number.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by bartread on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:22AM (#32563789)
For sure, the phone numbers issue definitely won't have helped, but the whole Elon/Twitter situation is definitely up there. Plus, as I say, it's been sort of trendy to bash them for a while: they're either not doing enough to protect people from harmful content, or they're subverting freedom of speech by, for example, banning Trump, and applying permanent, temporary, or shadowbans to other accounts. I'm not that sympathetic, but they sort of can't win.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by kornhole on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @05:17PM (#32571634)
I think you are referring to corporate and state controlled social media. There is a big difference between those platforms and the fediverse instances I am running on a RPI sitting on my desk.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mrex on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:20AM (#32564516)
>This is rampant. How is this a story?

Bro. It's not every day that literally Mudge, who has -no doubt- seen his fair share of shit-shows, whistleblows on an employer.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by dehrmann on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @12:26PM (#32567283)
But was he fired by any of those shit shows?
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mrex on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:35PM (#32570230)
I don't think you understand how poorly attacking Mudge's character or insinuating that he's driven by some unethical ulterior motive is going to work out. Mudge is... he's Mudge. He's a known quantity, and one everyone wishes we had more of. When he says something like this, smart people listen intently.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by NelsonMinar on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @12:50PM (#32567632)
Twitter is under a consent agreement with the FTC about its security practices. Part of the allegations here is that they've been lying to those regulators.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2011/03/...

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by winternett on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:51AM (#32565739)
> This is rampant. How is this a story?

Well, it's on the front page of CNN right now for starters, so that means it's probably significant to a lot of people...

If you have a business, you most likely need to promote it on Twitter, or to at least reserve an account there so that someone else won't impersonate you. You also need to do that on almost all other major social platforms.

If you have a business or personal account on Twitter, your direct messages, the data the system generates about your preferences and interests, your geo-coordinates, and everything you post, including control of how your account works can apparently be accessed by too many people within the company.

It's a pretty big deal for anyone that uses the platform citing all that... Not something that should just be "left to it's own devices" because everyone else is doing the same. All cases of data abuse/misuse should be addressed, but addressing one this big would also be a pretty big deal.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by throwawaylinux on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:09AM (#32563633)
Did you actually read it? The story isn't some handwaving about companies in general having bad security. It's that Twitter's former head of security is blowing the whistle on "reckless and negligent cybersecurity policies" including deliberately misleading government regulators and its own board about various issues, and concerns about foreign espionage and disinformation.

If you don't know how that's a story I don't know how to explain it to you, I can only assure you many people will find it extremely newsworthy.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by vlan0 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @01:02PM (#32567810)
I hear you. All of that is a big deal and should not be taken lighten.

Maybe I'm a bit jaded by what I've seen, but that doesn't seem too far off from normal American business culture. Deflection and manipulation seem to be par for the course. It's why lobbyist exist. Companies want permission to do/not do the things they're not currently allowed/required to do.

The ones that get caught are normally a few bad actors that whistle blow. The companies where it's ingrained in their culture get away with it. Of course...this is all my own experience :)

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by trombone5000 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:16AM (#32563706)
> This is rampant. How is this a story?

Because it's being publicly revealed.

If the lax security you describe at other companies were also revealed, maybe more would be done to fix it.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by thomassmith65 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @01:33PM (#32568255)
It is certainly rampant. Amazon, for example: https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-failed-to-protect-your-da...

That said, all these stories are important to the public.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by 12many on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:29AM (#32564627)
Because it's CNN and they like to make headlines with some bogus whistleblower that is concerned that some die-hard trumpers are going to hack top companies and create some kind of mass hysteria. Just the usual fear mongering in the news media to get views.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by Bud on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:01PM (#32573283)
Hard to know where to start with this nonsense. Suffice it to say I'm impressed: every single part of what you just said is wrong.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by bombas on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @02:24AM (#32575562)
Just type the word mudge into Google. ‘Bogus whistleblower’ tho
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by encryptluks2 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @07:49AM (#32563424)
At least you get it. I've seen worse on actual government systems.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mrpopo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:32AM (#32563908)
Because people with a lot of money are inflating this story to get back at Twitter. It sounds like a conspiracy, but that's the most plausible explanation I have for why this specific whistleblower gets amplified by the media.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by jonstewart on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:02AM (#32565061)
This specific whistleblower also happens to be mudge. It's funny how the initial top comments here don't seem to have any clue about who mudge is.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by papito on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:11AM (#32564405)
Not a lot of companies get infiltrated by foreign agents or assets. Access to Twitter, in particular, can help unmasking anonymous sources, sensitive DMs, dissidents - and their locations.

And, oh yeah - there is no "conspiracy".

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mrpopo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:18AM (#32564487)
I don't claim Mudge was infiltrating Twitter, nor that his claims to bad security are false, nor that it is not dangerous to use Twitter if you value privacy. Bad security at Twitter, or any other social media is a given. Remember they're in the business of selling personal data.

My claim is that this specific story which is most likely true but in no way surprising gets amplified right now because some specific powerful people wanted it so.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by dd36 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:31AM (#32564663)
Or the current Twitter drama is precisely why it is an interesting story for the media.

That said, given foreign influence campaigns in the news in the last 6 years, this would’ve been news then too. I’m sure it was news back in 2010 when the FTC ordered it to fix the problems.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by papito on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:39AM (#32564760)
Or maybe, you know, the media finds this story interesting because this is an extremely visible company with tons of influence on narratives around the world.

Who are these "powerful people"? And why do they care about Twitter so much? Most powerful people aren't even ON Twitter.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mrpopo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:54AM (#32564965)
I know about a certain person who has been doing very unorthodox moves towards the acquisition of Twitter since earlier this year; this person, as well as all the wealthy stakeholders who have a lot to lose if the deal goes through in an unprofitable way, would certainly gain a lot by amplifying this story with a few grands in the pockets of the CNN business editors.
Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by papito on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:58AM (#32565015)
I think you are overestimating the influence of Elon Musk on American media, my friend.

Are they enamored with him - for sure, are they in his actual pocket? Doubt it.

Re:Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless cybe... by mrpopo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:28AM (#32565428)
Not necessarily the man specifically. Anyone with a high stake in Tesla/SpaceX/long-termist companies and an arm in the media machine who would benefit from this press release.