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Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by Sevii on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:53PM (#32266954)
Let's do a trade. Congress people get paid 1mil/year adjusted for inflation plus pension, but in return they don't get to own stocks or real estate while they are in office.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by mfer on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:03PM (#32267128)
> they don't get to own stocks or real estate

So, they can't own a home in a location they represent? I don't see that going over well. Your primary home is real estate. So is that little family cottage.

Also, congressional reps need to have a home is Washington. So, they have to rent there?

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by paulryanrogers on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:14PM (#32267336)
Renting may be a new experience for them. And with such a huge bump in salary I think they can take the hit.

After all it is positioning real estate as investments that contribute to its unaffordability.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by rococode on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:23PM (#32267495)
That's pretty trivial to work around... you can own one primary residence, and one additional residence in DC. You can't own 10 buildings.

That said, I don't think real estate is as easily abused as stocks. Much harder to influence the value.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by vkou on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:37PM (#32267688)
> So, they can't own a home in a location they represent?

They could always try renting. A lot of people manage to get by doing just that.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by dhritzkiv on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:13PM (#32267295)
Many reps do rent in DC, sometimes in frat-house-like conditions with other reps.[1]

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/04/politics/real-alpha-house/ind...

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by wyre on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:12PM (#32268875)
Why isn’t this the basis for a tv show?
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by AftHurrahWinch on Thursday July 28, 2022 @05:17PM (#32270226)
It was, the cartoonist behind Doonesbury did it for 2 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_House

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by hedora on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:10PM (#32267252)
I'd take it further: $1M/year for life, have to divest all investments they own coming in to office (i.e., turn them to cash). Accepting any third party payment during or after being elected (and during campaigns) is treason.

If their kids accept their inheritance, the rules apply to them too. The rules always apply to spouses.

Let them invest in whole-market funds / ETFs, but only allow withdrawls 5 years after leaving office.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by pessimizer on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:55PM (#32267928)
I agree. Make them wards of the state. Corruption has been far more destructive than incompetence, because corruption filters for and protects incompetence. Let public servants make a sacrifice.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by TheEzEzz on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:03PM (#32268776)
I increasingly think something like this is the way. You can only get money out of politics by putting money into politics. We have to align incentives correctly, and money is the way to do it. Nobody would every run a business where they pay their leaders $170k but allow those same leaders to make millions from outside stakeholders by leveraging their job role in ways that don't align with the company's goals. That's what politics currently looks like; the incentives are quite literally as backwards as is possible.

We're a capitalist society. That doesn't mean "let companies do whatever they want, including buying politicians", it means "we use capital as a means of setting incentives to drive good outcomes". Let's use our capital incentives correctly to drive good outcomes from our elected leaders. They work for us.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by twblalock on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:47PM (#32267834)
Nobody sane would take that deal.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by wyre on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:14PM (#32268904)
Only on HN is a 1 million dollar salary a bad deal
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by twblalock on Friday July 29, 2022 @01:49AM (#32273581)
It's a bad deal for the kind of people who are capable of succeeding in national politics.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by idiotsecant on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:12PM (#32268147)
Nobody sane would take $1M USD per year for life?

Call me insane I guess.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by hedora on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:57PM (#32267959)
Which part? If you get elected to the Senate, you and your kids are set for life.

Do you really want people greedier than that running the country?

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by dahfizz on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:37PM (#32268477)
A million dollars per year for life? Most people would kill for that deal. Not the HN crowd, but most people without hesitation.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by badrabbit on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:09PM (#32267238)
Better Idea: $300k base and a performance bonus up to 100% more based on sponsored laws and an additional 100% for passed laws with an extra 100k for no votes missed or abstained. So a perfectly performing congressperson gets a mil.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by zeruch on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:15PM (#32267345)
I'm not sure about the specifics you outlined, but I do think a comp package that incentivizes grown-ass behavior (read: full attendance, voting, actual participation in the legislative process) is a great idea.

I don't think rewarding certain behaviors like sponsoring is good, because its too easily abused. When a KPI becomes a target, its no longer a KPI.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by avn2109 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:50PM (#32268629)
If we're designing a system of incentives and constraints for legislators, let's pay bounties for laws deleted.

There are probably 2 or 3 orders of magnitude too many laws currently in America (have you ever estimated trying to read and comprehend the entire law? Borderline impossible in a single lifetime even under very optimistic reading-speed assumptions etc).

If this metric becomes a target and ceases to be a good metric, that sounds ideal because it'll have the side effect of drastically simplifying the legal code.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by zeruch on Thursday July 28, 2022 @05:21PM (#32270278)
"let's pay bounties for laws deleted." That's still a target that can be abused for self-gain, so...no.

To be blunt, your whole polemic reads like a CATO fever dream, which is the opposite of what I was suggesting; ideological contrivance isn't a solve, and complexity at a nation our size and scope ain't gonna get reduced to a nice pamphlet of rules. It's the same reason you can't run a FAANG company the same way you run a 6 person A-round company.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by badrabbit on Thursday July 28, 2022 @07:08PM (#32271141)
Repealing laws counts towards the kpi
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by thebiss on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:22PM (#32268299)
Can you clarify when/how a KPI ever not a target?

Bonuses and promotions always go to those who exceed them, and "improvement plans" or "restructuring" is reserved to those who miss.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by cwkoss on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:32PM (#32268419)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive#The_origina...

Any imperfect measure that becomes a target gets pursued at the expense of the original intent.

Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by badrabbit on Thursday July 28, 2022 @07:12PM (#32271171)
It's not a perverse incentive, there is a limit to it. And it has a counter balancing incentive in the form of having to run for an election. If you passed bad laws for the sake of metrics you get voted out because there is someone else that wants to do better than you. A perverse incentive is not the same as compensation for doing your job.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by zeruch on Thursday July 28, 2022 @05:22PM (#32270284)
You restated what I meant better than I stated it. Thank you.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by cortesoft on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:16PM (#32267366)
I don't think number of laws passed is a good performance metric... it is basically like paying developers per line of code.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by badrabbit on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:55PM (#32267925)
More like bonuses for LoC . The idea is to encourage decision making and discourage gridlocks and not attempting to pass laws because they don't have support.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by cortesoft on Thursday July 28, 2022 @02:39PM (#32268492)
You are going to end up with a lot of meaningless laws… they will pass laws like “apple pie is now the official American dessert”
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by badrabbit on Thursday July 28, 2022 @05:23PM (#32270292)
Hopefully their opponent will use that against them on election year to prevent that
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by okasaki on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:57PM (#32267958)
How about 2M per year, but at the end there's a vote and if you have less than 50% approval you have to give it back?
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by Bloating on Thursday July 28, 2022 @03:24PM (#32269021)
that would save a lot of taxpayer money for sure
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by zeruch on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:11PM (#32267262)
...or afterwards for 5 years.
Re:House Democrats to propose ban on lawmaker stock trading ... by AlgorithmicTime on Thursday July 28, 2022 @12:54PM (#32266975)
We should let them own a house in their constituency, at least.

I'm open to disallowing real estate speculation.