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Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by leoff on Thursday July 28, 2022 @07:32AM (#32262954)
> When I see Stripe's apology here it will not be enough for me

I'm actually just starting a business using Stripe for handling payments, and this makes me very concerned.

Is there an alternative service one could use? Is there a way not to give these shady companies power to steal all my money?

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by Ayesh on Thursday July 28, 2022 @07:45AM (#32263055)
In a different HN thread that has no or positive reaction to Stripe, you'd be seeing many praises for Stripe.

For local businesses, perhaps your local bank has a better solution? They will be cheaper (if they use networks other than Visa/Master), and often has zero fees when you withdraw money to a bank account.

Here in my country, for a business that only caters to local customers, I pay about 2% for payments with no fixed fee and no fee for withdrawals, which happens daily. I can directly call the person who handles my queries, and charge backs have never been anything but a few quick clicks with no mind games. All I do is redirect the user to the payment page, and validate the payment upon arrival. The UX isn't as good as Stripe of course, but many of the locals are quite used to that UI anyway.

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by Aspos on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:17AM (#32263865)
Don't know what country you are from but guess your acquiring bank gets orders of magnitude less fraud than Stripe does so your bank can afford to take your calls. It boils down to wildly skewed regulatory environment in the US.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by InitialLastName on Thursday July 28, 2022 @10:23AM (#32264712)
They probably have orders of magnitude less revenue with which to pay customer service agents than Stripe has (or would have, if they hadn't delegated their customer service to the machine in the sky).

We see this in many circumstances: centralization and scale are great for efficiency, but bad for resilience.

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by PeterisP on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:11AM (#32263798)
> Is there an alternative service one could use? Is there a way not to give these shady companies power to steal all my money?

There are many alternative services listed in other comments, but to be clear, every single one of them has the power to do exactly what Stripe did.

There is no way to accept credit card payments without accepting that power to freeze suspicious incoming payments, simply because fundamentally credit card payments are not final and can (and often will) be reversed afterward, and if someone promised to never freeze merchants' funds, every fraudster in the world would come to try out their services, bankrupting them in the process.

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by TimMeade on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:31AM (#32264028)
I'm not sure of the facts on this case and always need to hear both sides fully before i would comment on them.

But; I have run 4 different businesses on stripe over about 6 years and have never had a serious issue. Yes there have been ups and downs but even with no phone number I would have to rate their support head and shoulders above most. Maybe 24-36 hours for a response, but we always got one, and in most cases it solved the issue.

We are still with them.

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by tc313 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:42AM (#32263504)
Just as a counter-anecdote, my one-person SAAS has used Stripe since 2017 and I’ve had an excellent experience with them, including personal customer support. Of course, YMMV.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by sorenjan on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:13AM (#32263244)
Maybe look at Klarna. This is not an endorsement, I've never worked with them, but as a consumer i like using sites that use them for payment.

https://docs.klarna.com/

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by peanuty1 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @10:52AM (#32265142)
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by pythonic_hell on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:13AM (#32263246)
Checkout Adyen. They’re practically the same.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by slivanes on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:30AM (#32264015)
You need to do 5,000 transactions or more a month to be considered by Adyen.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by stef25 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:46AM (#32263543)
Have you compared the backends you get to use as a customer? I'd be surprised if Adyen even comes close to Stripe.

Mollie for one is complete garbage.

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by Huppie on Thursday July 28, 2022 @01:31PM (#32267622)
Imho Adyen is surprisingly good. You should definitely check out their documentation.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by informalo on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:27AM (#32263374)
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by SyneRyder on Thursday July 28, 2022 @10:38AM (#32264917)
You should always, always, have multiple ways to accept payments. Don't rely on one provider, even if they're the greatest processor in the world. Never have a single point of failure for your business.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by treszkai on Sunday July 31, 2022 @07:54AM (#32294940)
I'm not an entrepreneur but this approach sounds way too safe to be competitive. IMHO if you're starting a 2-person company then yeah, be bold enough to rely on a single payment provider, and maybe consider redundancy when you have already have a working business with massive reputation.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by SyneRyder on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:37AM (#32295102)
Single person company here. It's not hard to do, maybe an extra PHP class that abstracts details of different providers, and a separate class implementation on each provider. But you're right that you wouldn't do it for launch day.

It comes in really, really handy when your tiny 1-person company outlives your giant multinational payment provider. Happened to me a few times now, I'm on to my 3rd (4th?) provider in 20 years. There's a tendency for Borg-like consolidation in the payments industry (eg Avangate acquired 2Checkout, then were bought by Verifone). Anyone who lived through the Digital River era will know what I mean.

If you haven't done that code abstraction, imagine that you're suddenly unable to take any payments or make any sales and you are unable to do so until you rewrite all your payment processing code. That can be a long outage.

Having a backup is also useful when a customer's card gets declined by an overly zealous fraud screen at one provider. You can give that customer a "promocode" that changes the logic of your checkout flow and redirects processing to a different payment processor.

And having different processors active also lets you add different payment options (eg maybe your primary processor doesn't support Alipay or Pay With Amazon). But in practice that turned out not to be a good reason for me, Paypal/Visa/MC/Amex/Optima covered almost 100% of customers anyway. For the tiny handful that use checks I can handle that manually.

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by alex_suzuki on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:18AM (#32263299)
Maybe check out Paddle. I’m not affiliated in any way.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by vxxzy on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:02AM (#32263173)
Check out PastePay. Great service and a human touch! https://www.pastepay.com
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by bennyp101 on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:09AM (#32263775)
Bit of a bug in your page redirects

curl https://www.pastepay.com

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;URL=https://www.pastepay.com/industry/international-merchants">

curl https://www.pastepay.com/industry/international-merchants

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> <html><head> <title>302 Found</title> </head><body> <h1>Found</h1> <p>The document has moved <a href="https://www.pastepay.com/">here</a>.</p> </body></html>

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by vxxzy on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:33AM (#32264058)
It’s fixed! There was an issue handling request from international clients.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by vxxzy on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:15AM (#32263842)
Thanks! Yeah that is not in the page. Not sure how that is getting prepended. I’ll send to support!
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by mtlynch on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:59AM (#32263682)
Based on your other comment,[0] it sounds like you work for PastePay, which you should disclose if you're publicly endorsing them.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32263465

Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by vxxzy on Thursday July 28, 2022 @09:07AM (#32263761)
Oh no! I am sooo sorry. I don’t “directly” work for PastPay but I do work for their sister company. Thank you for letting me know for the future!
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by groffee on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:23AM (#32263344)
On Firefox page is just going into an infinite loop.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by vxxzy on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:37AM (#32263465)
Strange!? Any chance you could send me request headers you are receiving?
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by radiojasper on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:25AM (#32263363)
Can confirm! Same here with my Firefox on Windows 10.
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by thirdvect0r on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:29AM (#32263393)
Happening on FF, Chrome and Edge for me
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by enlyth on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:27AM (#32263380)
Same on Edge/Chromium
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by mmikeff on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:43AM (#32263519)
And Safari on MacOS
Re:TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small ... by TimCTRL on Thursday July 28, 2022 @08:53AM (#32263620)
Same on Chrome 103