News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by divan on Sunday July 24, 2022 @03:15AM (#32211133)
> This just screams negligence to me.

This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by daliusd on Sunday July 24, 2022 @03:38AM (#32211243)
Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by saagarjha on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:16AM (#32211944)
Let's not generalize about specific countries at all?
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by mdp2021 on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:37AM (#32212066)
This public will probably be able to understand mode (type), median and average - in general.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by saiya-jin on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:37AM (#32212065)
Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values.

On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia.

Its not unique to Baltics, I come from former V4 (poland, czechoslovakia, hungary) and we have some variant of that. Legacy of our fucked up russian tyrannical overlords from cold war is still running strong through very fabric of our societies (plus last 20 years of very effective FSB/GRU psy-op to sow hatred and division all around EU to weaken it, allowed by weak politicians like Merkel).

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by piva00 on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:27AM (#32212376)
> On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia.

No, not really. For example, Estonia has been very well governed, including deep digitalisation of the economy, one of the best educational systems in the world and a complete and utter dislike/hate for all things Russian.

I gather you don't know what you are talking about but painting broad strokes so wrongly over 3 States who have been peacefully revolutionised in the past 30 years is offensive.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by spacemanmatt on Sunday July 24, 2022 @10:05AM (#32213618)
I would defer to the background checks the U.S. military and federal government is doing in consideration of selling those Baltic states a lot of weapons. They will definitely do a better job that I ever can.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by dathinab on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:48AM (#32212520)
> specifically agreed country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to <bad people>.

Isn't that (citizens thinking that) the same for most countries in the world?

Like I'm pretty sure many US citizens would say the same.

Or UK citizens.

Or German citizens.

Or <insert EU member state> citizens.

Or Singapore, Australia, china, japan.

etc.

through they might mean different thing when they say "corrupted mess".

And yes, all the mentioned states are corrupt to different degrees in different way. But I think finding citizens which would describe their country as "corrupt mess" isn't a problem (except if they are afraid about repercussions).

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by Etheryte on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:05AM (#32212231)
As someone from the Baltics, this is so out touch with reality that it's outright laughable.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by tasubotadas on Sunday July 24, 2022 @07:39AM (#32212462)
The story you got told is just plain wrong
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by cpursley on Sunday July 24, 2022 @06:41AM (#32212087)
I understand that a whole lot of people are upset with Russia right now, but this is completely unsubstantiated.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by divan on Sunday July 24, 2022 @12:45PM (#32215167)
May I ask how did you come to this conclusion?
[dead]
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by dang on Monday July 25, 2022 @03:23PM (#32229649)
Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. I know how incredibly frustrating and upsetting it is to be representing a minority point of view amid a majority who say a lot of ignorant things, as majorities everywhere do. But you still have to follow the rules, even from that position. They are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and if you'd please review them and stick to them in the future, we'd appreciate it.

It's also very much in your interest to do so, because when you lash out, as you did here and in other places in this thread, you only reinforce the position you're arguing against and discredit the truth you're trying to represent.

I've tried to explain this same point to other users in similar situations in the past. Perhaps some of those explanations would be helpful, if you or anyone want to take a look: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....

One consequence of this dynamic is that the burden is much higher on the person arguing for a minority or contrarian view. You can make the point that this is not fair, and indeed the unfairness gets intensely worse, the stronger everyone's emotions are. Nonetheless, it's just the way it is. Fair or not, it's in your interest to develop the capacity to resist these temptations, and fair or not, we end up having to ban the accounts that won't—not because they're wrong, or because we disagree, but because the forum won't survive if we allow people to keep breaking these rules.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by iasay on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:02AM (#32211361)
No it’s spot on. Check the response by the chess association. They blame the boy. In Russia, it’s your fault and there will be bureaucratic treacle to wade through instantly.

I’ve worked with many people from that region over the years and dated one and it’s absolutely right.

It’s also why lots of people left.

[dead]
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by iasay on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:35AM (#32211538)
Wasn’t a bad dating experience. We’re still friends. She moved out of Russia because no one would investigate why her brother disappeared on a government job. It was her problem. It was his fault.

She calls her own people culturally defective.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by MonkeyClub on Sunday July 24, 2022 @05:17AM (#32211711)
> the robot started misbehaving

Or rather, when “the device malfunctioned”.

This was closer to an industrial accident, rather than to Robot Revolt.

But yeah, the response is appalling.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by monkey_monkey on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:20AM (#32211466)
> and also project bad dating experience

Um what? Maybe you should step away from the internet for a while?

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by foverzar on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:39AM (#32211564)
Maybe you should consider that when a person brings up their dating experience to support their spite towards some culture in a discussion about a child's broken finger, they actually couldn't care less about the child, eh?

There is really no other reason to bring "I dated someone Russian" into this discussion other than spite.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @03:36AM (#32211227)
No, there's something wrong with the people who go around this and don't say a thing because it's not even weird to them.
[dead]
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:35AM (#32211541)
Not letting people (and much less children) around industrial robots is not virtue signalling, it's basic safety and common sense. Where's everyone's protective headgear anyways? What if it starts spinning around because of an error in the Gcode? This thing could kill everyone around it with one swing. Where's the emergency stop button?
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by foverzar on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:50AM (#32211610)
Don't switch the topic. You were saying something about blaming the kid and suddenly you are discussing the safety issues.

Also, you haven't seen much chess robots, have you? "Industrial robot", my ass. Have you actually seen one? The one that "could kill everyone with one swing" is a tad different.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by EUROCARE on Sunday July 24, 2022 @05:44AM (#32211804)
I think you're mistaking me with someone else.

Yep, I've seen and programmed many industrial robots. You would be surprised how easy it can be to kill a human with a swinging robotic arm, even a small one (such as the one here). Even a relatively light hit at the back of the head can be fatal.

Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by notch656a on Sunday July 24, 2022 @03:59AM (#32211343)
Um the discussion was revolving around a chess tournament organized (by admission of the moscow chess open website) part of the Russian government. As you know, Russian government right now has been agressively sending tanks into neighboring nations with the very flags of the USSR, including the hammer and sickle, while that same government goes on 45 minute tirades about restoring the glory of uniting former soviet satellites. So you know this discussion about the policies of the chess organizers, the russian government, has a lot to do with the USSR.
[dead]
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by notch656a on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:26AM (#32211497)
On a technical implementation of the robot I agree completely. On the policy level I concede I am not very familiar with policies of the USSR, but it is a policy decision of the Russian government organizer to allow the placement of the robot, a robot that many organizers would deem not safe for interaction with children. Recent policy in Russia indicates they still have a lot of legacies left from the USSR.
Re:A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its huma... by foverzar on Sunday July 24, 2022 @04:51AM (#32211615)
Sorry, but that's called "maximalism".