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Re:I regret my website redesign by bequanna on Thursday July 21, 2022 @03:12PM (#32183555)
Which absolutely makes me think this was a well thought out con designed to prey on those types of fears and maximize the value extracted from the mark.

Those lottery phone scams out of Jamaica which target the elderly in the US are almost the exact same scam as what was described here.

Promise something, get them to send money, don’t deliver, tell them you need more time/more money. Keep repeating until the mark walks away.

Re:I regret my website redesign by allenu on Thursday July 21, 2022 @04:00PM (#32184196)
Maybe "well thought out con" is a little strong here. I see it as more likely the consulting firm has learned this behavior over time and it has rewarded them well. I imagine that if they're normally dealing with large contracts, those companies footing the bill are probably easier to string along like this. Just do enough and promise enough that they keep you on and only budge when they get more serious about potentially terminating the contract.
Re:I regret my website redesign by bequanna on Thursday July 21, 2022 @06:12PM (#32185847)
I don’t buy this was some mistake in good faith. I think the author is a little naive which made him a good mark.

They started work on and subsequently billed for something that was explicitly out of scope.

My guess is that the founder of the agency knew early on that he could push this client around to extract $.

Re:I regret my website redesign by sizzle on Friday July 22, 2022 @03:05AM (#32189350)
Also they finished the work in a brisk sprint-like pace towards the end, knocking out the pages in record time. I think that was more indicative of the actual effort required to finish the work, not all the hours they billed. There is a perverse incentive when the client has a retainer to bill hours and make up excuses to line their pockets. They finessed the author and preyed on his naivety
Re:I regret my website redesign by tomaskafka on Friday July 22, 2022 @06:23AM (#32190443)
I agree, and it takes force to break them out of this behavior. I know of a guy, who forced the contractors to break down the wall they just built because they didn't let him inspect the place behind the wall before enclosing it, as promised in the contract. He knew that if he lets this slide, they'll keep doing it.

An analogy here would be forcing the agency designers to completely delete any speculative redesign work, without any backups, to force them to focus on the logo, and send a strong signal that I don't care about the redesign, and won't be paying that work.

Re:I regret my website redesign by nerdawson on Thursday July 21, 2022 @04:47PM (#32184812)
Most of my career has been spent at agencies.

I think you're attributing malice to what was more than likely routine mismanagement.

Re:I regret my website redesign by dahdum on Thursday July 21, 2022 @06:48PM (#32186191)
> I think you're attributing malice to what was more than likely routine mismanagement.

I wouldn't call it mismanagement. Many agencies thrive despite regularly delivering these types of experiences. It's a conscious choice they can easily rationalize because of the money.

This agency turned a one off $7k job into $46k by smooth talking and scope creeping an actual developer. I'm sure they're absolutely killing it doing the same to non-technical folks.

Re:I regret my website redesign by nerdawson on Thursday July 21, 2022 @07:44PM (#32186680)
I'm sure some do have that attitude but I don't believe, for most, that they're choosing to operate that way.

TinyPilot is clearly successful and growing. Any smart agency would nurture that relationship, deliver a great product, and secure an ongoing relationship.

By contrast, there's a huge amount of reputational risk in allowing things to spiral. They've walked away with more today but imagine for a moment the damage that would have been done were they named in this article. It doesn't take much for a brand to turn toxic and things to implode.

Re:I regret my website redesign by achikin on Thursday July 21, 2022 @11:53PM (#32188325)
But hey, they were not named :) And that lines up with my experience in agencies - there is always an “Isaac” who’s job is to cool the customer down.
Re:I regret my website redesign by TedDoesntTalk on Friday July 22, 2022 @02:36AM (#32189192)
Yes, I’m very confused why he did not make the agency.
Re:I regret my website redesign by bornfreddy on Friday July 22, 2022 @03:12AM (#32189410)
My guess - contractual obligations or some other liability?
Re:I regret my website redesign by nerdawson on Friday July 22, 2022 @03:57AM (#32189657)
What benefit would the author get from naming the agency involved?

There’s a big legal risk involved in doing so and no upside that I can see.

Re:I regret my website redesign by bequanna on Friday July 22, 2022 @08:16AM (#32191133)
I was disappointed the author didn’t have the guts to name them.

I would hope he could get some satisfaction in knowing that he might be able to stop them from taking advantage of clients in the future.

Re:I regret my website redesign by SZJX on Sunday July 24, 2022 @12:00PM (#32214700)
Easy for an outsider to say, though I’d imagine it’s a perfectly reasonable precaution to be cautious in the first post they make. Also he’d then not need to worry about what he exactly says in the post or mince his words/self-censor.
Re:I regret my website redesign by xupybd on Thursday July 21, 2022 @08:25PM (#32186997)
Yeah my read is they were having some internal issues and were overloaded. On top of that they hadn't done many projects like this.

Management threw it out to the floor and the floor ran with it like every other job. Feedback went to management but the people doing the work didn't really understand that this client was not like their other projects.

I've been on the other side of this where one bigger client changed the game and we didn't adapt as we were used to things at a different scale. We didn't clean up the mess we inherited fast enough. We didn't put enough resources on the projects and we failed to live up to expectations. We were used to smaller tasks with more limited scope.

Re:I regret my website redesign by thayne on Thursday July 21, 2022 @06:26PM (#32185978)
Perhaps, but there is an incentive to continue that mismanagement, rather than fixing it.
Re:I regret my website redesign by sizzle on Friday July 22, 2022 @03:12AM (#32189411)
The agency is incentivized to draw out the work to maximize billable hours
Re:I regret my website redesign by koshnaranek on Friday July 22, 2022 @06:13PM (#32197743)
Such things can happen very easily even when everybody has good intentions especially if nobody keeps the entire team focused.