China's kompromat and industrial espionage policies differ from those of the US.

It is off base to compare while ignoring intentions and impact, because they're Very different countries.

We don't always succeed at that, but at least we have that as our society and government's guidestar, and legal and political processes for self-correcting.

The Communist Party has exactly zero of any of that, and an ideology entirely oriented around justifying getting and keeping power by any means necessary.

How do you mean exactly? I'm not sure how you can draw that conclusion from what I said. Politically I'm an independent, there's no real home for me any US political party.

In this particular case you support U.S oversight over personal data rather than personal privacy(i.e banning data harvesting).

It's like saying it's fine for the Democrats to harvest personal data because they have a better track record than the republicans and after all "you" are democrat so being part of this select group makes you feel safe from a potential abuse. The sensible/right thing to do would be to ban the data harvesting.

Yeah but instead to ask for a ban on data harvesting "you" complain only about China avoiding the elephant in the room. As it's said: Lead by example!

Let's ban this data harvesting and make this a discussion about individual rights not China social app rise or U.S domination(though the meta apps). That's why I said you are playing "party" politics. Yeah China is bad but why should I choose the lesser evil instead to do the right thing?

I really hoped that China being a rough actor could actually bring something good to the whole world as we have to reevaluate our trust model: Why should I trust a foreign company, a local company, my gov or a foreign gov to harvest all this personal data. Why do they need all this data and they use it?

I think the EU digital market act and GDPR is a step in the right direction not selectively banning certain apps that do not align with the interests of a small government or an over reaching gov such the U.S. We have to fight for our rights not the exclusive rights of super governments to invade our privacy.

It is extremely easy for a government to infiltrate into these organizations and get their hands on it, it has happened at Twitter [1], for instance.

So, yes, the problem IS data collection in the first place.

1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/former-twit...

I do agree that data collection is at the core of the problem, but Twitter really should have done a better job.

No amount of "security" is enough for an actor who wants to do this and has privileged to the data. This is almost impossible to out-engineer, if you think a company like Twitter cannot solve "such an easy problem" you're being naive.

There's a shitload of data for sale from brokers. So foreign governments might not even need much from a company like FB. Perhaps just enough to confirm the validity of data purchase from other sources.

We have a system where due process is required. Sometimes authorities break those laws. But the system and culture is nonetheless there and for a reason.

That's kind of a big difference here.

The CCP has mandatory seats on the bytedance board and wants a copy of all the data so they can target people.

Spying is bad, murder is next-level bad.

Stop it all, but start with the bigger issues first.

> The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

~ John Erlichman, Nixon's Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs

And decades of those policies have left the US with close to eight times the prisoners per capita of China. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Prison...

And the US has no problem executing prisoners, and in fact unlike China has no problem executing someone for crimes committed while a minor (only the US, Iran, Pakistan, and Somalia do this).

And that's before even getting into the extrajudicial politically motivated killings like Fred Hampton's murder, the MOVE bombing, or the recent odd proclivity of Ferguson and BLM protest organizers to "kill themselves" by hanging in a public tree, or "shooting themselves" in the head and then torching the car that they were in.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...

Or did you just make it up and it's a word reserved for people in nations you hate?

Dissidents = "Disagreeing, as in opinion or belief"

The government in power decides who this is and then acts against them according. The CCP just happens to use lethal force on a massive scale in this regard.

Speak up for those who can't

The Chinese Government can't do anything to me unless I go there. Meanwhile my own government here presents an ever-present real life danger on multiple fronts. I still don't exactly fear it, but at least I know which is more likely to do me harm. Or for that matter, to do harm to others with my tax dollars.

This isn't to say that the USG should be admired or emulated, far from it, but as someone who's neither Chinese nor American, I think it's an objective truth that most people in the world fared better under 20th century American-hegemony than the worldwide Sinicization which the CCP has made clear is its aim.