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Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by lovich on Sunday July 17, 2022 @09:45PM (#32133598)
Well that’s bleak but entirely expected. I don’t remember the Texas government doing anything in response to the last time their grid almost fell over last year other than crow about their independence
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by enraged_camel on Sunday July 17, 2022 @09:51PM (#32133636)
Not sure why you got downvoted. As a Texan, that's exactly what happened.

Our state government will learn its lesson only when a series of major incidents start making companies reconsider their plans to expand or relocate to the state. Republicans may love their "independence" but money is also a language they understand very well.

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by random-human on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:19PM (#32133827)
Exactly, If or once the situation gets to a point that requires scheduled load shedding (eg South Africa) I would suspect a lot of things would change pretty quickly. I can not imagine any 'side' in TX putting up with having no power for 2-3 hours, 2-3 times day - forcing a greater divide between the have's (businesses/homes willing to pay for generators) & the have-nots.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by giraffe_lady on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:30PM (#32133908)
> I can not imagine any 'side' in TX putting up with having no power for 2-3 hours, 2-3 times day

If it's the side that you've disenfranchised then you don't really need to worry about it.

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Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by skellington on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:12PM (#32134188)
Are you talking about the Highland Park shooter? The guy who cross-dressed to escape and shot up a patriotic event? Not a single reference has credibly commented that he was a Trump supporter. This specific behavior is not even consistent with Trump supporters who tend to be patriotic.

Are you just making stuff up and doing exactly what you claim to be against?

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by kortilla on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:09PM (#32134166)
>anywhere else letting a million people die of COVID to prove a political point either but here we are

Which million people does this refer to?

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by programmarchy on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:40PM (#32133960)
The State Senate actually came up with a good plan (on paper) for improving the grid. The implementation was then handed off to the Railroad Commissioner who then totally watered things down. There’s a good article about how it went down in Texas Monthly magazine. Lesson is that the Railroad Commissioner is a very powerful (elected) position in terms of energy, so worth paying close attention to that election.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by EdwardDiego on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:50PM (#32134033)
Isn't it also the Railroad Commissioner who deals with things like oil wells? I think that came up in an article about old oil wells that were flooding ranchland with salt water in East Texas thanks to the practice of pumping water into oil reserves to boost pressure for active wells.

I'd love to understand how the Railroad Commissioner ended up responsible for energy.

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by programmarchy on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:01PM (#32134114)
They are the head of oil and gas in the state so very likely. The history is complicated to say the least. They don’t even run the railroad anymore. It’s all energy related. The name of the office should be changed but the oil and gas companies probably want the office to keep flying under the public’s radar.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by imadethis on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:57PM (#32134088)
It started by taking over regulation of pipelines in the 1910s. That seems like a logical step to me, but over time their purview has expanded to O&G plants and energy production. They aren’t responsible for public utilities, but a lot of the winterization plans were around upgrading pipelines that froze in the storm.

According to Wikipedia they haven’t dealt with rail since 2005, but it’s been a lot longer since the RRs were politically relevant to the office.

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by LambdaComplex on Sunday July 17, 2022 @09:55PM (#32133655)
Did that not happen after the last incident?
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by scifibestfi on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:11PM (#32133775)
Now they really have to back that up with action. If things do break, it'll look doubly bad. If things don't break, but other parts of the country do, they'll look good.

We may soon see which way it goes.

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by vvanders on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:20PM (#32133831)
> Plants are being regularly ordered to go into service, or remain in operation, and skip any scheduled maintenance.

If you don't schedule maintenance then your equipment will schedule it for you, usually at the least convenient time.

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by scifibestfi on Monday July 18, 2022 @12:29AM (#32134672)
So true. Watch it happen right before election.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by giraffe_lady on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:29PM (#32133896)
They don't need to look good though, they only need to maintain control. Doing a good job at things and winning elections based on earned confidence is one way to maintain control but not apparently the one they're going for.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by dylan604 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:49PM (#32134027)
No, not in Texas. They just redraw the maps so that they are guaranteed to stay in power, er, not electric power.
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Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by kortilla on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:06PM (#32134147)
This isn’t particularly unique to Texas. It happens in any lopsided state. You can inverse it an perfectly describe the California political landscape.

Constant rolling power outages, cast blame on corporations, and then tell people it’s actually a good thing that everything is falling apart - with lots of vague assertions about moving to a green future.

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by mrguyorama on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:02PM (#32143651)
Which is why most reasonable people think California is also really freaking stupid. I wish we could instead talk about the other 48ish states in the union that don't have a lot of these problems, or have them in smaller magnitudes
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by scifibestfi on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:55PM (#32134471)
I think you're right. When a party doesn't have to worry about competition, they get complacent. Like any monopoly.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by salt-thrower on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:31PM (#32134325)
What’s the average lethality of California’s power failures compared to those of Texas?
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by jasonboyd on Monday July 18, 2022 @01:11AM (#32134910)
I don't know the answer but we have had some very tragic fires in California the last few years that can be attributed to the power _company's_ failure to maintain their equipment.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by peyton on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:05PM (#32134141)
Voting for your party of choice will increase grid capacity?
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by salt-thrower on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:28PM (#32134293)
Acknowledging the failures of their ideologically motivated “independent” power grid that fails more easily under strain would be nice. Or retracting the assertion that power customers paying thousands of dollars to stay alive during a chill or a heat wave is “the system working as intended,” and instead saying “we need to improve this.” Anything like that might be a good start.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by smegger001 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:28PM (#32134290)
it is until it isn't. a statewide blackout during a heatwave mid election season is not a good time to tell people their shitty broken powergrid is actually better then the rest of the country that still has air conditioning and refrigeration.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by collegeburner on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:01PM (#32133705)
it takes a long ass time to build more power plants. winterizing the grid better doesn't help with more demand from heat waves.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by ceejayoz on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:08PM (#32133762)
Sure, but the message after the ice storm was “look, it isn’t cold here very often, who could have foreseen it?”, and some ham-handed attempts at blaming green energy (https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/17/abbott-republicans-g...) for bonus political points.

That’s a little harder to do with heat in Texas.

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by mrguyorama on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:04PM (#32143684)
For reference for other readers, the situation that happened in Texas to cause the power grid to fall over was widely forcasted as a "once in every ten years" event. It was not an unimaginable extreme. Most other states plan or require planning for such events, either out of caution, or from direct harm caused by similar events
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by lovich on Monday July 18, 2022 @02:20AM (#32135323)
I am willing to accept they are trying to improve if I see it, but everything I saw out of the Texas government seemed to be a denial of any problems at all. The power grid is stressed in the summer under A/C load anywhere that is normally hot, which Texas is, so why weren’t they prepared for it?

I’m just comparing this to my region where the government doesn’t have an excuse for the power grid failing everytime it’s hot or cold and has actually removed utilities who had catastrophic failures[1].

I’m not judging Texas for having unforeseen problems, I am judging them for failing to respond to their issues

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrimack_Valley_gas_explosi...

Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by wumpus on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:16PM (#32134217)
It doesn't take a long ass time to build new renewables. But it does take competent management to incentivize moving maintenance to the times of year that don't have heat waves.
Re:‘Things are going to break’: Texas power plants are runni... by scifibestfi on Monday July 18, 2022 @12:29AM (#32134669)
How long to build out on the scale needed?