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Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by lostdog on Saturday July 16, 2022 @04:55AM (#32116303)
The greatest part of this project is that if you ever get sued for trademark infringement, you can force their lawyers to have to explain why anyone could possibly confuse the product of Comcast Corp. with making your internet as flakey and slow as possible.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by unsignedint on Saturday July 16, 2022 @06:30AM (#32116718)
To be honest, when I looked at this title, I thought Comcast made a tool and publicized the tool to simulate suboptimal network...
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by Hydraulix989 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:21AM (#32117767)
This is the type of confusion trademark law seeks to protect against.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by juunpp on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:14PM (#32120489)
Not a lawyer, but:

https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/what-trademark

"A common misconception is that having a trademark means you legally own a particular word or phrase and can prevent others from using it. However, you don’t have rights to the word or phrase in general, only to how that word or phrase is used with your specific goods or services.

For example, let's say you use a logo as a trademark for your small woodworking business to identify and distinguish your goods or services from others in the woodworking field. This doesn't mean you can stop others from using a similar logo for non-woodworking related goods or services."

Comcast the shitty network simulator should not be confused with Comcast the Internet Service Provider. Joke really is on them if they ever file a lawsuit.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by massysett on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:03PM (#32120919)
Follow the link on that page to “strong trademarks.” Comcast is a made-up, fanciful word, which is a much easier mark to defend.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by Hydraulix989 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:06PM (#32120945)
A network simulator and an ISP are easily confused according to legal standards. Even The Beatles' Apple Records had a case against Apple Computer in the early days of the company.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by SeanLuke on Saturday July 16, 2022 @04:29PM (#32121661)
Trademarks are registered under specific categories of commerce. It's within those categories that trademark confusion can be argued.

Comcast has like 50 trademarks (look them up on TESS), and they impact on everything from cable to internet services to hats and coffee mugs, basically anything the company makes or does. Let's take COMCAST BUSINESS as a random example. This trademark is registered for a variety of categories for which confusion can easily occur, but one stands out (italics mine):

> "IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Downloadable cloud-based software used to back up business data; downloadable cloud-based software used to share business data; downloadable cloud-based software used to send and manage secure documents; *downloadable cloud-based software used to manage, secure and protect computer networks;* downloadable cloud-based software used to create and transmit documents with electronic signatures; downloadable cloud-based software used to manage telephone systems; downloadable cloud-based software used to manage advanced telephone features; downloadable cloud-based software used to provide web conferencing; downloadable cloud-based software used to monitor business security systems; *downloadable cloud-based software used to detect and remediate computer viruses, worms, trojans, spyware, adware, malware and unauthorized data and programs;* high-definition multimedia interface cables; and Ethernet and wireless networking hardware and computer hardware and components thereof."

Then there's this one:

> "IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: *Providing high-speed access to the Internet, mobile networks, wired and wireless networks and other electronic communications networks;* telecommunication access services; telecommunications gateway services; wireless broadband communication services; wireless broadband telecommunications services; telecommunications services, namely, voice, video, and data transmissions provided through the use of cable television distribution facilities; telecommunication services, namely, transmission of voice, data, graphics, images, audio and video by means of wireless communication networks; *high-speed electronic data interchange services provided via modems, hybrid fiber coaxial cable networks, routers, and servers;* electronic, local and long distance transmission of voice, data, and graphics by means of cable, telephone, wireless, ISDN, and technologies; telephone communication services; providing voice communications services via cable, fiber optics, the internet, wired and wireless networks, mobile networks and other electronic communications networks; providing fiber optic network services; Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services; cable television services; cable television broadcasting services; cable television transmission services; providing access to telecommunication networks; provision of telecommunication access to video and audio content via video-on-demand, interactive television, pay per view, and pay television subscription services; video-on-demand transmission services; video conferencing services; wireless PBX services; cloud-based PBX services; streaming of video and audio material via the Internet, wired and wireless networks, mobile networks and other electronic communications networks; telecommunications services, namely, providing advanced calling features and leasing or rental of telecommunications equipment; leasing or rental of telecommunications equipment; computer network access services by means of a metro Ethernet; electronic transmission and streaming of digital media content for others via the Internet, wired and wireless networks, mobile networks and other electronic communications networks; cloud-based communications services in the nature of instant messaging, telephony, audio and video conferencing, screen sharing, file transfer, call control and management, voice mail, e-mail, SMS and facsimile services; and providing wireless hot spots."

And that's just the first thing I picked out. It goes on like this. So, yeah. Comcast the network degradation simulation software almost unquestionably overlaps with Comcast's trademarks.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by juunpp on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:28PM (#32130284)
Interesting... Then the fun is only guaranteed.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by chaostheory on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:10AM (#32118293)
Maybe he can rename it to “comcrap”? Jokes aside it’s probably better to use a less controversial name.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by reaperducer on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:53PM (#32120329)
Maybe he can rename it to “comcrap”? Jokes aside it’s probably better to use a less controversial name.

Perhaps he should rebrand it "Xfinity." That seems like a perfectly harmless name that is in no way associated with poor products and crap customer service.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by bee_rider on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:46PM (#32121298)
Since it is designed to simulate a poor network, Xfinite would be a funny name.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by CawCawCaw on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:08AM (#32125247)
comcaste
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by turdnagel on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:26AM (#32118462)
To begin with, you've got a very narrow set of people who would even discover this project. Now intersect that with the people who will reliably miss context clues ("shitty network connections") to get a joke, and the set becomes even narrower.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by dylan604 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:38AM (#32119146)
Yes, but once the lawsuit does come, which lets face it will come (at least a C&D), the dev(s) can have all of the tech trade rags/blogs/forums/etc paste it all over as news. Then, they'll become internet famous. At the end of the day, they probably know they'll have to change the name and are probably hoping for it just for the publicity. Let it live as long as it can, then ride the wave
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by mh- on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:52PM (#32119790)
> which lets face it will come

I've had this project starred for at least 7 years, so perhaps Comcast legal has more of a sense of humor than we're giving them credit for.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by ThunderSizzle on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:02PM (#32119875)
Or they just don't know about it and/or they have bigger fish to fry first.

Trademark and copyright tend to requirement historic evidence of enforcement to be enforceable in the future. If they fail to enforce this and it's significantly in the public sphere, it could be used as evidence the trademark and copyright no longer apply, depending on the judge.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by mh- on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:05PM (#32119897)
Perhaps. I wouldn't have named my project this, either, just for the avoidance of an eventual headache. But I find it unlikely this hasn't been flagged to their legal by now.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by dylan604 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:45PM (#32120259)
Instead of the typical HN hug of death, mabye it'll be the HN Eye of Sauron that is the ultimate reaction to making the front page. <shrugs>

However, if you do get the eventual C&D, you might as well tweet about it and get another 15mins of fame!

*Edit, if you think that a corporate legal team is allowed to display a sense of humor, you'd be very mistaken. Sure, some might be cognizant of their corporate overlords, but to think that they would let something like this slide once made aware of it would/could be an expensive mistaken idea to have

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by turdnagel on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:36PM (#32120661)
Jeez. I'm starting to think the people on this thread want it to get a C&D.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by dylan604 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:04PM (#32120932)
There's a difference wanting something to happen and being able to understand the world and realizing the inevitabilities that will occur when certain conditions are met. It's like wanting the snowman you made in the front yard to survive the summer, but it is inevitable that it will melt.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by colejohnson66 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:30AM (#32119075)
Legally, it doesn’t matter. Trademark law (not copyright) requires active enforcement to keep yours. So, even if it’s a joke, the act of making a networking related thing while Comcast has a trademark in that category is enough to make their lawyers wake up.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by wumpus on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:39PM (#32120687)
Comcast has to actively enforce against ISPs or network providers.

Comcast the ISP doesn't have to actively enforce against Comcast brand tires or Comcast brand coffee.

A lot of people are confused about this, and big companies use "we have to actively enforce" as an excuse to crush companies in unrelated fields. But you don't.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by bee_rider on Saturday July 16, 2022 @04:09PM (#32121481)
"Duty to police" seems up there with "requirement to maximize profits" in the realm of excuses to indulge in the sort of bad behavior that execs are fond of.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by mypalmike on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:51PM (#32120309)
Perhaps being on the front page of HN will be the catalyst which leads to the lawyers being informed.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by omarhaneef on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:27AM (#32117830)
Me too!

And my second brief thought was: maybe they forgot to turn it off for me?

Wish I was kidding.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by spacemanmatt on Sunday July 17, 2022 @07:50AM (#32126009)
Nah, this is for people who don't already have Comcast.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by kodah on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:33AM (#32117895)
There's an old paper on that networking, by design, is not reliable or efficient - which is more cogent than ever in large scale distributed systems. What Comcast would cite would likely be that, so I doubt it would reveal the quiet part said out loud about the reliability of Comcast's services.

A couple citations I liked:

https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2655736

https://blog.acolyer.org/2014/12/18/the-network-is-reliable/

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by mh- on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:54PM (#32119813)
> cogent

No, comcast. :)

Jokes aside, that paper is very worth reading. And HN readers will recognize one of the authors as the creator of Jepsen, of distributed database testing fame.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by versale on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:26AM (#32116425)
On the other hand projects named this way are not easily googleable.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by omoikane on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:15PM (#32120492)
Currently it's the top result for "comcast network tool", ranked above comcast's own github page.

I recall at least one other project with this kind of naming sense: https://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagen

which was named after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

and is currently the top result for "volkswagen test library".

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by the_biot on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:14AM (#32116954)
Not really, they just need to point at the trademark registration. There is nothing to explain or be embarrassed about.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by perbu on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:31AM (#32117044)
Trademarks are supposed to be consumer protection regulation. They aren't there to protect the corporations. If I make some brown goo and call it "Pepsi" then Pepsico can sue me because I confuse their customers and not because this will cause losses for Pepsico.

At least, this was the original intention. In today's more corporation-friendly world, more emphasis is being put on the corporations interests unfortunately.

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by juunpp on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:15PM (#32120502)
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by perbu on Sunday July 17, 2022 @08:54AM (#32126342)
In the 1995 case of Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Products Co., the Supreme Court described trademark law as "preventing others from copying a source-identifying mark" and assisting the customer in making purchasing decisions.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by Anon1096 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @11:18AM (#32118972)
This is a reddit-type urban legend that has no basis in reality.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by r_hoods_ghost on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:55AM (#32118116)
Citation? Genuinely never heard this argument before.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by technothrasher on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:15AM (#32118344)
That's because it isn't true. Trademarks since ancient Egypt have simply been a way to specify origin of a product. Laws regulating trademark are an attempt to stop consumer confusion, either by accident or through fraud, but have always been written with the interests of the producer in mind, not the consumer.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by aaaaaaaaata on Sunday July 17, 2022 @07:46AM (#32125987)
Does this mean we can never rebase toward the consumer again?
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by sschueller on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:20AM (#32116989)
Did they trademark the use of the mark for "simulating a bad network". I don't think so.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by alisonkisk on Saturday July 16, 2022 @08:48AM (#32117505)
That's not a product category. They have registered the trademark for computer networking.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by cedilla on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:01AM (#32117600)
I don't know why this was dead - this is how it works: trademark protection extends to whole classes of productd, so called Nizza classes.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by encryptluks2 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:50AM (#32116533)
Simple, they already know Comcast is synonymous with flakey slow Internet and shitty customer service. But they already paid off congress and know there is nothing you can do about it.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by DonHopkins on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:13PM (#32120480)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgUN_95UAw

"So the next time you complain about your phone service, why don't you try using two Dixie Cups with a string? We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company." -Lilly Tomlin as Ernestine

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by karmakaze on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:21PM (#32120039)
Well Canadian Tire Corp tried to claim ownership of the domain crappytire.com and lost. Looks like the domain was eventually bought out.
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by DonHopkins on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:04PM (#32120410)
If only Comcast customers had a way of simulating non-shitty network connections...
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by taf2 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:14PM (#32120486)
From docs it looks like you can turn off the shitty network connection by executing

comcast --stop

Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by whateveracct on Saturday July 16, 2022 @04:16PM (#32121549)
You could also rebrand this program to comcast-simulator lmao
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by daviddever23box on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:39AM (#32116487)
Grinning from ear to ear on that point...!
Re:Comcast: Simulating shitty network connections so you can... by heavyset_go on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:53PM (#32120811)
Sounds expensive.