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Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by kennyadam on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:23AM (#31944861)
Strongly agree.

As the THC percentage has increased, so has my anxiety when I smoke it. If I go out of my way to find lower quality weed, I enjoy it much more.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by iinnPP on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:40AM (#31944997)
In Canada we can buy such a wide variety of strains, all of them labeled with both THC and CBD levels.

We can buy vape carts, prerolls, candy, drinks, and much more.

Finding the "dose" that works perfectly for you is quite simple and available everywhere.

It's a vast improvement over what was there before.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by macNchz on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:47AM (#31945649)
Yeah I never cared much for weed when it was whatever my college friends were buying in the early 2000s, it made me feel edgy and uncomfortable. I was curious when it started to become legal in the US and realized it was actually just too strong for me back then.

A small amount of some low THC, high CBD product is pleasant without being intoxicating, and so much easier to come by with everything being tested and labelled.

To me it’s comparable to the single after-work beer I have long enjoyed, vs the high grade stuff being more like… an after-work 5 shots of vodka.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by grasshopperpurp on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:25AM (#31946018)
Anecdote: I've never seen someone suffer anxiety from an Indica strain, but I have seen plenty of bad trips from Sativa strains.

Medical is legal where I live, and I like both (and hybrids) depending on what I'm doing. In the evening, I would stick to Indicas and Indica-dominant hybrids. Since I work, and I never use while working, I use Sativas far less, but I like them for weekends - walks, chores, etc.. It's a bright feeling and more of a head-high, but under the wrong circumstances, that bright feeling turns dark.

Particularly in the evening, Sativas can make you buzzy and unsettled. My gf thought she hated herbs until she tried Indicas. She knows how and when to use now, so she can enjoy Sativas under the right conditions.

Again, this is just my personal experience, but it tracks with my understanding of the strains, and I hope it's helpful to someone.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by treis on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:38AM (#31946185)
The difference between Indica and Sativa is to a large extent imagined. Even if it's not most of the strains you buy today are hybrids.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by grasshopperpurp on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:45AM (#31946279)
>The difference between Indica and Sativa is to a large extent imagined.

Can you elaborate? This is very contrary to my experience.

. . . NM I looked it up and see what you're referring to. I'll have to look into it more, because, again, it doesn't sync with my experience.

>Even if it's not most of the strains you buy today are hybrids.

I've never had an ounce of difficulty finding Indicas or Sativas at dispensaries. Maybe there are more hybrids (never took the time to count the options), but if there are quality options available for all three, I don't see how it matters. And, within hybrids, there are Indica-dominant and Sativa-dominant strains.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by treis on Friday July 01, 2022 @12:45PM (#31949138)
>of difficulty finding Indicas or Sativas at dispensaries

Finding things they call Indica or Sativa. Afaik given that there's no objective difference between the two you can call it anything you want.

I'm a relatively inexperienced smoker so take the following with grain of salt but this is what I've noticed.

Since it's a plant there's definitely differences seed to seed, soil to soil, season to season, flower to flower, etc.

Weed these days is so potent small differences in flower smoked add up to large differences in THC/CBD/etc consumed. Like you're not carefully weighing out the amount you put in a bowl. It's done by eye and by volume which both have a large margin of error.

Then there's smoking technique. How you hold the lighter, how you inhale, how much water in the bong, and so on all impact how much smoke is produced and consumed.

Then we're talking about perception. How high you are is really how high you perceive you are. And that can be affected by mood, tiredness, what activity you do after smoking, and so on.

In my experience same flower, same technique, same amount, etc can lead to wildly disparate outcomes. Most of the time it's about the same. But every so often I find myself blasted to the moon or not really feeling much.

But all that said, Sommeliers can repeatedly recognize specific vintages where I can mostly just recognize broad categories. Maybe there's weed sommeliers out there that can do the same.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by treis on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:50AM (#31946340)
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by grasshopperpurp on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:52AM (#31946385)
Just finished reading that article. Interesting. Will look further. Ty.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by tayo42 on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:54PM (#31951896)
I can't tell the difference between the types and have had anxiety with weed labeled as both. Individual strain and thc, cbd and other canibinoid percentages have a bigger effect then anything ime
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wahnfrieden on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:37AM (#31944970)
You strongly agree that they should regulate weed to be weaker so that you don't have to check potency before purchase? ok
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by unethical_ban on Friday July 01, 2022 @11:17AM (#31947572)
Yes, there is something to be said about at least being more explicit on warning people about the dangers of consuming high % THC products.

An industry that can profit off addiction is being observed drastically increasing the level of an addictive substance in their product. You expect consumers to be perfectly informed. I don't. Thus, it is reasonable to discuss whether an at what threshold a product should be labelled as higher-risk. If the behavior of an industry seems malicious enough and its public health impact adverse enough, regulation is necessary.

I'm arguing in the abstract.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wahnfrieden on Friday July 01, 2022 @11:27AM (#31947748)
ok!
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by CoastalCoder on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:07AM (#31945274)
I didn't get that from the GP comment.

IIUC, they're just saying that they prefer less potency, but have trouble finding it in the current market.

That doesn't necessarily mean they want only weaker weed to be sold.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wahnfrieden on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:14AM (#31945345)
excuse me for interpreting "I just wish that we would take measures" as promoting regulation

edit to reply to below: California already has accurate labeling and is being called out as a problem

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by CoastalCoder on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:18AM (#31945399)
I assumed that they were talking about regulations requiring accurate labelling of THC and CBD concentrations.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:00PM (#31954131)
Yes, that is what I meant
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:00PM (#31954127)
The original comment was from me. Measures include warnings and advertisements. They also include offering low dosage alternatives
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:59PM (#31954121)
Exactly!
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by scifibestfi on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:01PM (#31952015)
I don't understand why this is a problem. You can adjust the amount. What am I missing?
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:27AM (#31944884)
Hopefully the canabis producers will see the low (by todays standards) THC level weed as having its own niche and market it accordingly. Like 'light beer'.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by BrianOnHN on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:32AM (#31944922)
I wonder how alcohol would look of people were so incompetent that they would drink vodka by the pint, like beer!

Seriously, if you smoke a joint of high-grade then you're doing it wrong.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by alar44 on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:09AM (#31945302)
Um, seriously, I like smoking joints, but I can't because the shit around these days is so sticky and potent.

It's as if the only thing available is vodka, but I'd like a beer. Drinking less vodka doesn't make it a beer. They're completely different things.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:01PM (#31954143)
Yes, that is exactly my problem. I enjoy the smoking process.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by BrianOnHN on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:41AM (#31945586)
Vodka + water.

> but I can't because the shit around these days is so sticky and potent.

And I call BS on this.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by alar44 on Saturday July 02, 2022 @01:45AM (#31956591)
Weed is definitely stronger than it was in the 90s.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by rascul on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:25AM (#31945458)
> Seriously, if you smoke a joint of high-grade then you're doing it wrong.

I've met people who prefer smoking joints over other smoking methods. Sometimes I like to have a joint, also. Why are we wrong?

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by BrianOnHN on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:39AM (#31945572)
Why are you right?

It's probably best if you don't do anything that could be potentially harmful.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by rascul on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:23AM (#31946000)
You said it was wrong. I'm trying to understand why. Are you saying that smoking joints is potentially more harmful than using a bong? I don't understand.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wonderwonder on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:23AM (#31945999)
Everything is potentially harmful. Not having a perfect diet, drinking a couple beers, not having 8 hours of sleep a night. Life is short, weed is generally not harmful, if you want to occasionally smoke a joint, let them smoke a joint.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wahnfrieden on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:38AM (#31944980)
High-grade joints are a popular product in Canada
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by BrianOnHN on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:42AM (#31945017)
Source?
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wahnfrieden on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:44AM (#31945034)
you can look it up yourself
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Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wahnfrieden on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:54AM (#31945140)
it's not hard to understand that many people enjoy a potent product
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Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by iinnPP on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:41AM (#31945587)
Not everyone is you. Not everyone thinks like you.

A good pre-roll is actually a great experience. It's a 'treat" for many habitual users.

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Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by samatman on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:56AM (#31945733)
Stop behaving this way on Hacker News. It is aggressive and unwelcome, and we don't want that here.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wahnfrieden on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:43AM (#31945616)
No. You sound like a square

edit: disengaging, have a nice day

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wonderwonder on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:22AM (#31945985)
Snoop disagrees.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:50AM (#31945673)
I live in a state where marijuana is legal and recently tried it again for the first time in over a decade. I strolled into a recreational store and asked for a recommendation, specifically requesting a flower with a low THC concentration. They ended up giving me something ("Biker Kush") that had 28% THC, which I had only noticed on the packaging after I left the store. Gee, thanks. Anyway, then I bought supplies to make one marijuana cigarette, sometimes also called a "joint." I did not want to get too high, so I smoked one hit at a time, putting the joint out for breaks of twenty to thirty minutes between attempts. After around four of those hits spread over two hours, I did not really feel anything.

The next day, I bought a one-hit dry herb vaporizer, to be heated with a butane torch. I wanted to feel "high," and the joint had not worked. I used the same approach of waiting twenty to thirty minutes between hits with the vaporizer. In most of these hit attempts, the marijuana ended up combusting instead of vaporizing, as I had heated it up too much. For the first three hits, I did not really feel anything. However, the fourth hit was very rough, burning my throat, and sent me into a coughing fit.

Over a period of about fifteen minutes, the effect began to take hold. I decided to take a shower, and I started freaking out about halfway through, calling out to my wife. I thought I was having a stroke and suddenly felt like I did not have control over my body. I went up to bed and lied down for a long time, where my mind was racing with obsessive, intrusive thoughts. It felt like I was not the person controlling my actions or my thoughts. The feeling that I would be stuck like this forever - that I had lost my mind and entered some state of irreversible psychosis - persisted for at least an hour while I desperately tried to relax myself. After some amount of time, I got out of bed and threw up in the sink and the toilet, then went back to lie down. The entire night, I felt unable to express what I was thinking, but it was filled with the greatest worry that I have ever experienced. (I say this as someone who had actually experienced a couple panic attacks over a decade ago.)

The next day, when I woke up, the effects had subsided, but I was still left with a feeling that I was milliseconds behind the present moment. The worry that I would never feel normal again continued even after the high had diminished. It's a very difficult feeling to explain in hindsight, but after a bit of research, I think I experienced what's called "derealization." This continued into the rest of the day and a bit into the next, and it was a really scary situation for me, since I feel like I always need some amount of control over my mind. (Alcohol has never made me feel this way, though.)

Anyway, the derealization effects were gone after two days, and now, I'm afraid to try marijuana again. I would really like to enjoy the pleasant feelings reported with its use, but I'm worried that my personality is such that I just can't lose control over whatever part of my brain is affected by THC. But I also partly blame the salesperson who sold me something with such a high THC concentration, when I specifically requested something with a low concentration.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wonderwonder on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:21AM (#31945975)
That's pretty unfortunate, sorry that happened. I smoke flower relatively often (far less than many), twice a week for the last 3 years (date nights with my wife) and have never experienced anything like that. I have on occasion gotten into a negative thought spiral where I start to obsess on some of my perceived poor choices in life but those generally last less than 20 minutes. Generally I start to worry that I don't give my kids enough attention and resolve to do so. In reality though I consider myself a pretty good parent. Instances of this are very rare maybe once every 20 times I smoke and even then they make up only a small portion of the overall period. They are not intense and no wear near panic level, just reflective.

Unscientifically I would recommend maybe next time smoking with someone else, and getting a lower % thc, try for a hybrid strain, a mix of Sativa and Indica. If you go on the website of the dispensary it will list the details. Don't over complicate it, just choose something in the 15% range if available. Then just sit down and watch a comedy or something. Have some snacks available. Only take a couple hits and call it a day. The next week try 3 etc. Its cumulative and can sneak up on you.

Either way good luck :)

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:49AM (#31946328)
Thank you for the suggestions! If I do try again, I will definitely try a flower with the lowest THC concentration available. I certainly don't want to go above 15% after the recent experience. I was reading that THC concentrations in the sixties were around 3%, but I can't find any products at my local dispensary with concentrations less than 14% (!). I'm also considering dividing edibles into very small proportions and gradually increasing the dose each week until I feel something.

It just seems like a surprisingly tricky thing for me to figure out. Another recurring thought I had during the experience is that most people don't feel this way after smoking and that there must be something wrong with me. Maybe that's true, I don't know.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:05PM (#31954181)
Here is my tip: Search for CBD „only“ flowers. They will often have THC concentrations from 0.5 to 3 %
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by saiya-jin on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:39AM (#31946206)
Why not try to buy some low potency stuff elsewhere? Joint are not good for dosing, since content is not spread evenly. I would recommend pipe for just weed. Or vape oil if you can get hold of it and take just a small hit. Edible effects depends on your stomach so that's not the best for dosing neither.

20-30 mins between hits is too much, if you don't feel anything after 5, max 10 minutes it won't come. You describe it like that, so it contradicts 25 years of my experience though...

It may be true that weed won't be the best for you, depends. I had this experience with few people, it was all just in their head, too much anxiety and fear but that's enough to ruin any trip, anytime. But I would give it another (different) chance before you give up on it completely.

If you have friend who is doing it and you feel comfortable around them, try it with him/her. They can 'guide' you and calm you down if required. Remember, sugar will take trip down if needed (plus it tastes amazing when high). Or most junk food like hamburgers, pizza etc., also an experience above any Michelin * restaurant when sober.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:59AM (#31946491)
I'm not even sure where I can buy low-potency stuff. Looking online, the lowest at the dispensary where I bought the first thing is around 14%. Sixties THC concentrations were reported to be around 3%. What I'd really like to do is to try 1%, increase to 2%, etc., until I find something that works for me.

Yeah, I know thirty minutes is too long between hits, but I was trying to be as conservative as possible about it. That's why I'm kind of upset that, even being as careful as I was, I still ended up freaking out.

I can't think of anyone I'd feel comfortable smoking with. My wife was sober the entire time, thankfully, and helped a lot. She tried to guide me out of the negativity, but I ended up just feeling like I was too afraid to tell her she wasn't really helping. I did read about the sugar thing beforehand, but in the moment, eating was the last thing I was thinking about. A glass of juice might have helped, in hindsight.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by tsol on Friday July 01, 2022 @10:46AM (#31947105)
You might be best off with edibles. There you can break down the dose and try incrementally higher doses. I find it's much easier to microdose with them
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by ChoGGi on Friday July 01, 2022 @10:37AM (#31946971)
If you do try it again, then go for a park/forest with less people.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:06PM (#31954197)
No. Starters should stay inside their own home where they feel safe and comfortable
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @10:52PM (#31955684)
Agreed. I can’t imagine if I had experienced the above in a public setting. I probably would have required an ambulance to leave.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by adamsmith143 on Friday July 01, 2022 @11:22AM (#31947663)
> The feeling that I would be stuck like this forever - that I had lost my mind and entered some state of irreversible psychosis - persisted for at least an hour while I desperately tried to relax myself.

Prototypical bad trip.

Unless you are a mutant or were not inhaling at all you were certainly ingesting high amounts of THC and were getting higher while not subjectively realizing it. By the 4th hit you were far gone.

Would be like being annoyed that the world was spinning after you drink a 5th of vodka...

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @11:32AM (#31947846)
But how does such a dramatic change happen when waiting twenty minutes between hits? My wife was also an objective observer of my behavior in between hits and noticed no changes between the first three. The experience after the fourth was extremely different - more than I think one hit could possibly provide. My understanding is that joints and one-hit vaporizers are the best option to "control" how much you are ingesting. My experience, though, is that it did not provide a good amount of control. When I was not accidentally combusting the cannabis, I was unsure if I was inhaling anything from what was supposed to be the "vaporized" amount. Maybe it's because of my lack of consistent and good heating and inhaling practices.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by adamsmith143 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @09:59AM (#31988263)
>more than I think one hit could possibly provide.

Most likely right about that.

I know its a very individual experience for people so it seems like you have a higher threshold for "feeling high" and you blew right past it before you noticed. Vaping plant matter is typically a more concentrated way to ingest. If anything I'd try combusting small amounts and gauging your reaction that way. However I know people that get anxious or have panicked previously are more inclined to do so again, you get scared of having a similar experience and prime yourself to do just that.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by WorldMaker on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:10PM (#31952112)
My understanding is that lungs are an extremely inefficient way to get chemicals other than oxygen into the bloodstream (by specialization of what the lungs are intended to do). Twenty minutes may not be enough time for your lungs. Anecdotally I've known people that don't get high until two hours after their first hit.

Personally, I prefer the efficiency of the stomach and digestion system myself. It seems much more reliable.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:04PM (#31954169)
Your exact experience is similar to mine. I also worried that I broke my mind and would now suffer from psychosis. Turns out, I had just consumed incredibly potent weed, like you did.