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Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @08:50AM (#31945673)
I live in a state where marijuana is legal and recently tried it again for the first time in over a decade. I strolled into a recreational store and asked for a recommendation, specifically requesting a flower with a low THC concentration. They ended up giving me something ("Biker Kush") that had 28% THC, which I had only noticed on the packaging after I left the store. Gee, thanks. Anyway, then I bought supplies to make one marijuana cigarette, sometimes also called a "joint." I did not want to get too high, so I smoked one hit at a time, putting the joint out for breaks of twenty to thirty minutes between attempts. After around four of those hits spread over two hours, I did not really feel anything.

The next day, I bought a one-hit dry herb vaporizer, to be heated with a butane torch. I wanted to feel "high," and the joint had not worked. I used the same approach of waiting twenty to thirty minutes between hits with the vaporizer. In most of these hit attempts, the marijuana ended up combusting instead of vaporizing, as I had heated it up too much. For the first three hits, I did not really feel anything. However, the fourth hit was very rough, burning my throat, and sent me into a coughing fit.

Over a period of about fifteen minutes, the effect began to take hold. I decided to take a shower, and I started freaking out about halfway through, calling out to my wife. I thought I was having a stroke and suddenly felt like I did not have control over my body. I went up to bed and lied down for a long time, where my mind was racing with obsessive, intrusive thoughts. It felt like I was not the person controlling my actions or my thoughts. The feeling that I would be stuck like this forever - that I had lost my mind and entered some state of irreversible psychosis - persisted for at least an hour while I desperately tried to relax myself. After some amount of time, I got out of bed and threw up in the sink and the toilet, then went back to lie down. The entire night, I felt unable to express what I was thinking, but it was filled with the greatest worry that I have ever experienced. (I say this as someone who had actually experienced a couple panic attacks over a decade ago.)

The next day, when I woke up, the effects had subsided, but I was still left with a feeling that I was milliseconds behind the present moment. The worry that I would never feel normal again continued even after the high had diminished. It's a very difficult feeling to explain in hindsight, but after a bit of research, I think I experienced what's called "derealization." This continued into the rest of the day and a bit into the next, and it was a really scary situation for me, since I feel like I always need some amount of control over my mind. (Alcohol has never made me feel this way, though.)

Anyway, the derealization effects were gone after two days, and now, I'm afraid to try marijuana again. I would really like to enjoy the pleasant feelings reported with its use, but I'm worried that my personality is such that I just can't lose control over whatever part of my brain is affected by THC. But I also partly blame the salesperson who sold me something with such a high THC concentration, when I specifically requested something with a low concentration.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by wonderwonder on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:21AM (#31945975)
That's pretty unfortunate, sorry that happened. I smoke flower relatively often (far less than many), twice a week for the last 3 years (date nights with my wife) and have never experienced anything like that. I have on occasion gotten into a negative thought spiral where I start to obsess on some of my perceived poor choices in life but those generally last less than 20 minutes. Generally I start to worry that I don't give my kids enough attention and resolve to do so. In reality though I consider myself a pretty good parent. Instances of this are very rare maybe once every 20 times I smoke and even then they make up only a small portion of the overall period. They are not intense and no wear near panic level, just reflective.

Unscientifically I would recommend maybe next time smoking with someone else, and getting a lower % thc, try for a hybrid strain, a mix of Sativa and Indica. If you go on the website of the dispensary it will list the details. Don't over complicate it, just choose something in the 15% range if available. Then just sit down and watch a comedy or something. Have some snacks available. Only take a couple hits and call it a day. The next week try 3 etc. Its cumulative and can sneak up on you.

Either way good luck :)

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:49AM (#31946328)
Thank you for the suggestions! If I do try again, I will definitely try a flower with the lowest THC concentration available. I certainly don't want to go above 15% after the recent experience. I was reading that THC concentrations in the sixties were around 3%, but I can't find any products at my local dispensary with concentrations less than 14% (!). I'm also considering dividing edibles into very small proportions and gradually increasing the dose each week until I feel something.

It just seems like a surprisingly tricky thing for me to figure out. Another recurring thought I had during the experience is that most people don't feel this way after smoking and that there must be something wrong with me. Maybe that's true, I don't know.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:05PM (#31954181)
Here is my tip: Search for CBD „only“ flowers. They will often have THC concentrations from 0.5 to 3 %
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by saiya-jin on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:39AM (#31946206)
Why not try to buy some low potency stuff elsewhere? Joint are not good for dosing, since content is not spread evenly. I would recommend pipe for just weed. Or vape oil if you can get hold of it and take just a small hit. Edible effects depends on your stomach so that's not the best for dosing neither.

20-30 mins between hits is too much, if you don't feel anything after 5, max 10 minutes it won't come. You describe it like that, so it contradicts 25 years of my experience though...

It may be true that weed won't be the best for you, depends. I had this experience with few people, it was all just in their head, too much anxiety and fear but that's enough to ruin any trip, anytime. But I would give it another (different) chance before you give up on it completely.

If you have friend who is doing it and you feel comfortable around them, try it with him/her. They can 'guide' you and calm you down if required. Remember, sugar will take trip down if needed (plus it tastes amazing when high). Or most junk food like hamburgers, pizza etc., also an experience above any Michelin * restaurant when sober.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:59AM (#31946491)
I'm not even sure where I can buy low-potency stuff. Looking online, the lowest at the dispensary where I bought the first thing is around 14%. Sixties THC concentrations were reported to be around 3%. What I'd really like to do is to try 1%, increase to 2%, etc., until I find something that works for me.

Yeah, I know thirty minutes is too long between hits, but I was trying to be as conservative as possible about it. That's why I'm kind of upset that, even being as careful as I was, I still ended up freaking out.

I can't think of anyone I'd feel comfortable smoking with. My wife was sober the entire time, thankfully, and helped a lot. She tried to guide me out of the negativity, but I ended up just feeling like I was too afraid to tell her she wasn't really helping. I did read about the sugar thing beforehand, but in the moment, eating was the last thing I was thinking about. A glass of juice might have helped, in hindsight.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by tsol on Friday July 01, 2022 @10:46AM (#31947105)
You might be best off with edibles. There you can break down the dose and try incrementally higher doses. I find it's much easier to microdose with them
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by ChoGGi on Friday July 01, 2022 @10:37AM (#31946971)
If you do try it again, then go for a park/forest with less people.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:06PM (#31954197)
No. Starters should stay inside their own home where they feel safe and comfortable
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @10:52PM (#31955684)
Agreed. I can’t imagine if I had experienced the above in a public setting. I probably would have required an ambulance to leave.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by adamsmith143 on Friday July 01, 2022 @11:22AM (#31947663)
> The feeling that I would be stuck like this forever - that I had lost my mind and entered some state of irreversible psychosis - persisted for at least an hour while I desperately tried to relax myself.

Prototypical bad trip.

Unless you are a mutant or were not inhaling at all you were certainly ingesting high amounts of THC and were getting higher while not subjectively realizing it. By the 4th hit you were far gone.

Would be like being annoyed that the world was spinning after you drink a 5th of vodka...

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by yuuu on Friday July 01, 2022 @11:32AM (#31947846)
But how does such a dramatic change happen when waiting twenty minutes between hits? My wife was also an objective observer of my behavior in between hits and noticed no changes between the first three. The experience after the fourth was extremely different - more than I think one hit could possibly provide. My understanding is that joints and one-hit vaporizers are the best option to "control" how much you are ingesting. My experience, though, is that it did not provide a good amount of control. When I was not accidentally combusting the cannabis, I was unsure if I was inhaling anything from what was supposed to be the "vaporized" amount. Maybe it's because of my lack of consistent and good heating and inhaling practices.
Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by adamsmith143 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @09:59AM (#31988263)
>more than I think one hit could possibly provide.

Most likely right about that.

I know its a very individual experience for people so it seems like you have a higher threshold for "feeling high" and you blew right past it before you noticed. Vaping plant matter is typically a more concentrated way to ingest. If anything I'd try combusting small amounts and gauging your reaction that way. However I know people that get anxious or have panicked previously are more inclined to do so again, you get scared of having a similar experience and prime yourself to do just that.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by WorldMaker on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:10PM (#31952112)
My understanding is that lungs are an extremely inefficient way to get chemicals other than oxygen into the bloodstream (by specialization of what the lungs are intended to do). Twenty minutes may not be enough time for your lungs. Anecdotally I've known people that don't get high until two hours after their first hit.

Personally, I prefer the efficiency of the stomach and digestion system myself. It seems much more reliable.

Re:Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘d... by j-krieger on Friday July 01, 2022 @07:04PM (#31954169)
Your exact experience is similar to mine. I also worried that I broke my mind and would now suffer from psychosis. Turns out, I had just consumed incredibly potent weed, like you did.