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Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by somenameforme on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:41AM (#31890948)
In spite of the article's somewhat backhanded reference to such, I'd also mention Total Recall in a a positive light (and an example of something that Hollywood doesn't do anymore). The most unique thing about that movie is that it's effectively two different movies. I saw that movie when I was young and found it satisfying because of how it was advertised: action, Schwarznegger, explosions, and 3 titted Martians. Watching it 3 decades later, I only then realized what an amazing movie it really is.

The story is insightful, heavy on philosophy, extremely ambiguous, and digs into interesting questions about a very viable future technology. On a superficial level one can take the ending (which does provide closure) at face value, but it was intended to make one think. It's based on a Philip K Dick short story, "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale", and it shows.

It's a grandiose story, but only on the surface and only due to the fact it's set in the future. The plot is something that will affect everybody at some point. If you haven't seen it yet, I'd strongly recommend going in blind.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by afroisalreadyin on Monday June 27, 2022 @03:49AM (#31891719)
Total Recall has it all: The rather bloody action and shooting, the gimmicks (digital nail polish! Live X-ray scanners!), abstruse ideas and images (Kuato lives!), Arnie delivering zingers with an Austrian accent. And then, once you grow up and read Philip K. Dick, you actually understand how much of his ambiguous mind games made it into the movie, and watch it a couple of times with that additional perspective. There are very few films which deliver similar amounts of cinematic joy, unfortunately. The last two that I watched were Alfonso Cuaron's Children of Men, and surprisingly a Tom Cruise film, Edge of Tomorrow. Both highly recommended if you like Total Recall.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by MonkeyClub on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:34AM (#31893117)
+1 for Edge of Tomorrow!

As a Cruise film, it may fall off many people's radars, but it's got some really well worked out trippy stuff in there.

But I'm a sucker for non-completely-dumb time travel stuff. If you are too, be sure to check out Tenet and Predestination, if you haven't watched them already.

Both are well done, evoke consistent atmospheres, and didn't get the attention they deserve. Predestination is more physical in a Cronenbergian sense, while Tenet is pure Nolan administered intravenously.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by jowdones on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:09AM (#31894060)
I generally like Tom Cruise movies, they're good more often than not. Edge Of Tomorrow was one of his best.

I've even shown it to my 9 years old kid, he was flabbergasted. Might have not understood everything (he doesn't have the context) but overall he said it was the best movie he ever saw (so far).

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by native_samples on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:15AM (#31895721)
It's such an underrated movie. I watch it at least once a year. Watching it with your kids must bea lot of fun.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by nailer on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:55AM (#31893274)
Fun fact: Edge of Tomorrow is also known as 'Live, Die, Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow' and the original Japanese Novel was called 'All You Need Is Kill'.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by GauntletWizard on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:24PM (#31898565)
I only wish that Hollywood had had the balls to keep the original's ending. Much sadder, much more poignant.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by stavros on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:11PM (#31900126)
Here is the original ending (movie spoilers):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_You_Need_Is_Kill

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by causi on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:56AM (#31893918)
Tenet would fall solidly into the "completely dumb" time travel category for me.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by herodoturtle on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:27AM (#31894312)
Watch it backwards.

The special effects of reverse polarity were well executed.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by Izkata on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:49AM (#31894568)
> Predestination

Based on the short story All You Zombies (which I've read, but haven't seen the adaptation)

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by stavros on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:02AM (#31893986)
Edge of Tomorrow was such a sleeper hit for me, I watched it on a plane while browsing for something mindless, and I was riveted. I must have watched it another five times since.

Tip: Don't read anything about it, just watch it.

I similarly loved Children of Men, they really nail the dystopian aesthetic.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by afroisalreadyin on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:18AM (#31895765)
I also started watching it without any expectations whatsoever (ran into it browsing free stuff on Prime), and was completely blown away by it.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by toyg on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:05AM (#31895578)
> once you grow up and read Philip K. Dick, you actually understand how much of his ambiguous mind games made it into the movie

PKD didn't write "mind games"; according to one's own view of reality, he was either among the most sincere intellectuals since Kant, or a deeply paranoid, mentally ill individual - and everything inbetween. He was truly invested in the questions about perception that he poured over all his work.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by afroisalreadyin on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:15AM (#31895729)
You're right, they aren't mind games, I wasn't particularly happy about that formulation myself. Better would be maybe psychological conundrums? Or thought experiments on consciousness and the mind?
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by lazlee on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:09PM (#31896607)
I love PKD but having read most of the biographical material about him and a large chunk of his exegesis ( a journal that he kept after experiencing a break with reality late in his life) I'd put my money on deeply patanoid, mentally ill individual.

But god bless him, he certainly did leave us with some marvelous tales designed to make us question the world around us and ourselves.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @05:49AM (#31892442)
Then there's Starship Troopers, another Verhoeven masterpiece of layered meaning and interpretation. On the surface it's a jingoistic pro-military recruitment poster as movie, full of shallow facile characters. But oh boy, if you read between the lines there's no bottom to how deep that movie goes.

Also both movies have Michael Ironside, which is always a plus.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by aqme28 on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:24AM (#31893042)
I watched it as a child and I wanted to kill bugs too. Then I watched it again as an adult and realized “holy shit, I would have been a fascist. Like all people, I too have that capacity.”

It was a seriously enlightening moment. A satire subtle enough that I could see both sides of it at different periods of my life.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by noisy_boy on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:12AM (#31894106)
I loved Ender's Game[0] for the tight story line coupled with well place special effects and the crucial moment of empathy Ender Wiggin shows for the Formics. Its a pity that chances of a sequel are pretty low.

[0]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by atx42 on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:33AM (#31895104)
If you've read the book, the movie is a supreme disappointment. Such good stuff in the book that disappears in the movie.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by mobilio on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:42AM (#31895238)
Book is masterpiece! So many things, plot twists and characters.

Movie is cut-down version of book to fill in 90 mins.

Another example of supreme disappointment is "Battlefield Earth" movie. If you're fan of a book - don't watch it!

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by antman on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:22AM (#31895841)
And Ender’s Shadow, a different perspective of what happened in the first book
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by GlobalFrog on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @08:13AM (#31906681)
There is a book by Norman Spinrad called « The iron dream » which can make everyone realizes how easy it can be to not spot extremist and fascist views. For those who don’t know it, it is basically a book within a book, as if in a parallel universe, Hitler had emigrated to the US and become a fantasy writer instead of what happened in our timeline. But of course, his ideas still are present in his novel you read and you read that from the perspective of the hero of the book as he slaughters and « defends » himself and the civilisation from what he feels are attacks from inferior species. The kind of books that forces you to question yourself and how you receive entertainement, News, and how you filter and analyze that, or not, before being influenced by it.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by pmoriarty on Monday June 27, 2022 @06:08AM (#31892551)
I'd recommend another Verhoeven film, Robocop, over Starship Troopers.

And as far as sci-fi movies which are deeper than one might expect, I'd also recommend the original Planet of the Apes and its early sequels.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by RustyRussell on Monday June 27, 2022 @06:27AM (#31892632)
I read an internet review of Starship Troopers so good that it made me go and watch that (terrible) film again.

Took me a few minutes on DDG, but enjoy: https://agapow.net/misc/humour/starship-troopers-a-review/

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @06:38AM (#31892688)
That's awesome, you can lead a horse to water...

Since the reviewer mentioned it, the fact the characters all come from Buenos Aires is one of my favourite things about the movie. I've mentioned this a few times in conversation with people about the move, and they flat out didn't believe me. Their brains just didn't parse it, or what the implications are at all, because it's just there. It's never called out, or explained, or made a point.

There are two sequels and the first is really bad. None of the implied critique, just a straight cheesy SF action C-grade. The third film is actually worth a watch IMHO. It's still nowhere near the level of the original, but it's fun to see Van Dien kicking ass and taking names.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by darkerside on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:01AM (#31893331)
What's the implication if Buenos Aires?
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:11AM (#31893413)
It's completely indistinguishable from a generic Californian city. The language, culture, it's all utterly homogenous and generic. Not even a trace of anything that made Latin America distinctive is left. That's just how the world is, everything that makes a place or culture unique has been paved over

How did that happen? Why? No explanation, no hidden references, no hand-holding to any possible conclusion, no reference to the cost of a social change so complete. Unless you actively engage and critically think through what you are seeing and it's implications, you would never know.

In the hands of any other director it could just be laziness. Oh look, he's set it in Argentina, but they're all just like American kids. He couldn't even be bothered to include any local references. He could have at least hired local talent right? Taken advantage of the setting? But no, the fact the setting is this way is the actual point.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by causi on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:02AM (#31893991)
I think you're reading too much into it. They're from Buenos Aires because in the novel Rico is a Latino guy from Buenos Aires and the movie wanted all the characters to have gone to school together, therefore they're all from Buenos Aires. Verhoeven is not a Heinlein fan and says he didn't even read the book before making the movie.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by arcturus17 on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:21AM (#31894227)
This is the kind of thing I think of 80% of movie rabbit holes people get into… Often the explanations are plain and unglamorous. But of course everyone is free to interpret what they want from the end result - just maybe not adscribe it to the creator’s original intent.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:38AM (#31894438)
Fortunately the creators have been asked what their intent was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QotxGy4CKk

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by exhilaration on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:16AM (#31895743)
Thanks! Here's where they talk about Buenos Aires (10m): https://youtu.be/0QotxGy4CKk?t=600

It's not totally clear to me what their purpose was. Did they just use Buenos Aires because that's where the book was set, without any deeper motivation?

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:24PM (#31896843)
On that specific point no they don't go in depth, but then it's a short interview. He does say it's a comment on contemporary American culture, as with the rest of the movie you interpret it your own way. Clearly though from the interview he makes it clear the intent was political satire, and a deliberate critique of fascism and kind of world and people it might produce. That's the lens to look at these things through. But there is no one way to read it all, that's why I find it so re-watchable.

If you want to read it that all the other cultures were wiped out in the war and only one culture survived, sure.

If you think the one world government imposed a monoculture, maybe.

If you think humans are herd creatures that naturally converge on group-think consensus and globalisation is just going to go that way, fine.

Or maybe it was lazy film making cutting corners for budget and convenience reasons. OK. But in rebuttal to that possibility I submit in evidence the entire back catalogue of Paul Verhoeven movies.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by thestoicattack on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:20AM (#31894939)
In the novel, Rico is Filipino.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by darkerside on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:24AM (#31893540)
Ok, that's what I figured. Wasn't sure if there was something deeper and yet obvious that I was missing.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by jl6 on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:30AM (#31893620)
I always assumed the Federation is a future fascist America which had taken over the world and homogenized it.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:45AM (#31893802)
That's one possibility, another I've considered is it's just a linear extrapolation of the trend towards global homogenisation, extended arbitrarily into the future. So either it's a critique of their political system (very likely) or it's a pessimistic take on our innate laziness and tendency to conformity. Or both. Overall it another marker for how unutterably shallow and awful all these people and their society are.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by Psyladine on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:55AM (#31893911)
Then you'd read Verhoeven's intent correctly. Heinlein was an unabashed fascist and nationalist, and Verhoeven gave him his future fantasy exactly as he intended it (military glorification, unification, responsibility to the state as the highest virtue), and white-washing away any implications of that life.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by rout39574 on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:48AM (#31894553)
You might not be aware Verhoeven never read the book. Have you?

I think it's unrealistic to suggest Verhoeven had anything subtle in mind. He had a line he wanted to spout, and he did it.

I've always thought about it like the Giant Spider: https://www.theringer.com/movies/2019/6/28/18761548/wild-wil...

Director wanted a thing, and the subject matter fit was irrelevant. shrug. I call it "Bug Wars", and as such it's a well animated B movie.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by circlefavshape on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:30AM (#31894351)
A fascist? "Responsibility to the state as the highest virtue"? Are you sure you're thinking of the right guy?
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by CWuestefeld on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:39PM (#31897949)
Sometime over the past several years we seem to have discarded any specific definition of the word "fascist". All we're left with is just "somebody whose politics I disagree with".
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:39AM (#31895194)
I don't believe Heinlein was a fascist at all, but he's hard to pigeon hole. He was a radical libertarian, yet believed that a benign military world government was possible and even desirable. Well, a military world government sounds petty close to fascism, but he somehow thought that this would be the best way to guarantee individual liberties.

So his goals were libertarian, but I can't help thinking his intended means to achieve them would wind up, er, not doing so at all even slightly.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by harpersealtako on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:33PM (#31897859)
I think the backlash to describing Heinlein as "fascist" says more about the average person's understanding of real-life fascism than anything. I get the impression most people just replace the word with "evil" in their head rather than considering it on its merits and understanding what his thoughts on it were. There's often an implicit unstated argument there, like "X author is fascist, fascism is evil, therefore X author is evil, therefore you should not read their books", which seems a little more extreme than is warranted.

On that note, Heinlein wrote all sorts of weird, contrarian themes into his books. Many of them pushed against the prevailing social norms and beliefs of the time, from sexual norms to ethics to race relations. Trying to pin down his actual beliefs is difficult because he would often write one book taking one stance on an issue, and another later with a totally contrary stance. Often when I read Heinlein I find myself strongly disagreeing with what he's putting down, but fascinated with the question or angle being posed/presented.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by CWuestefeld on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:46PM (#31898043)
You and I (as an uncle reply) overlapped in flight. I agree with what you're saying, but I think that even before getting to that, the word "fascism" has lost any precise definition. As far as I can tell, it can no longer be interpreted to mean anything more specific than "politics that I disagree with".

And then, of course, your comment about people being unwilling to even consider the thoughts of those they disagree with steps in.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by Spooky23 on Thursday June 30, 2022 @10:38AM (#31932898)
That’s a pretty dismissive critique of Heinlein. He was a complex individual who went through an evolution of sorts during an interesting period of history. We’re not talking some circa 2020 Facebook political figure.

There are alot of people who made the transition from a socialist to a more right wing position. It’s important context that many of the thinkers of that day didn’t have the benefit of seeing the future… the prospect of nuclear conflict was very real and had an outsized impact on people who were aware of what was actually going on.

His isn’t necessarily a worldview I subscribe to, but isn’t worthy of being dismissive about.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by BeefWellington on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:27AM (#31894314)
I'd also add the maybe not so subtle reference that many Nazi leaders post-WWII fled to Argentina.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Argentines

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by zxcvbn4038 on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:34AM (#31895119)
Starship troopers gets a lot of flack -- "Based on the back cover of the book by Robert A. Heinlein" was a popular critique, "90210 in outer space" was another, and Doogie Howser (as NPH was them known) wasn't a great casting choice IMO -- but the special effects are flawless and Peter Venhousen really nails underlying themes of the book and the anti-bug propaganda. I don't know anyone who saw the film and didn't want to go fight the bugs - thank goodness he wasn't remaking Triumph of the Will.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by marcosdumay on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:34AM (#31896024)
> I don't know anyone who saw the film and didn't want to go fight the bugs

About as likely as someone watching Hanger Games and not getting lost on the reality show history, instead of being annoyed that the movie's history didn't progress.

Goes to prove that propaganda works. At least for short periods.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by kabdib on Monday June 27, 2022 @06:46AM (#31892743)
One of the few movies I've walked out of.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:57AM (#31893297)
I can believe that. I think it helps to understand where Verhoeven is coming from. He grew up in Holland during the German occupation, and it's liberation by the allies in the 1940s. He's seen the Nazi propaganda, the show and heroic aura of fascism right up close. He lived inside it. He also saw the bodies from summary executions of civilians lying by the side of the road. They're two very different sides of the same coin of fascism, one shiny and seductive, the other a twisted mirror image of ugliness.

A lot of his movies show you the heroic, seductive face of fascism for most of the movie, but every now and then through the movie he twists the coin just a little bit. You get a glimpse of what's on the other side, hinting at how what you think you're seeing isn't at all the whole story. But he leaves you to figure that out, the same way he did.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by kabdib on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:13AM (#31895692)
I totally get that. But.

He could have picked a different franchise (or created a new one) instead of hitching the movie's title to a book with a totally different message and atmosphere.

I wanted to see something darker, something about a kid growing up into an officer. I wanted to see Jonnie realize how much trouble he was in and feel lucky for only getting a few lashes, and I wanted to see Zim give him a microscopic bit of comfort just before that sentence. I wanted to see a father and son reunite for 45 minutes at the starport, and the proud father bounce off to his new ship. I wanted an exploration of morality in military service as a mirror for how we guide our own lives in the real world. I wanted to see the stupid powered suits, okay?

Instead I got a terrible political commentary with bad acting. He could have done that with his own story (wait, he did).

I don't know why the film was called Starship Troopers. Oh wait, I do; it was a money grab. Verhoeven didn't even finish reading the book.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by simonh on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:46PM (#31897196)
Yep that's fair, a faithful adaptation would have turned out very different. However this is the script the studio green-lit, and Verhoeven worked very closely with the writer to realise his (the writer's) vision. I love it, I think it has merit in it's own right, but sure it's not at all what an actual Heinlein fan would want or expect. It's really more of a satirical commentary on the book.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by Beldin on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:31AM (#31895981)
Movie theory (not mine): the bad acting is intentional on the director's part. He may have intentionally cast pretty faces with little talent as a shoutout to fascist films who did similar.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by peoplefromibiza on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:57AM (#31893299)
> Total Recall

and all the Verhoeven movies 1985-1997

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Verhoeven

Not based on P.K. Dick works but heavily (and beatifully) inspired by them I'd also mention "Dark City" directed by Alex Proyas (The Crow, I Robot)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_City_(1998_film)

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by bigie35 on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:35AM (#31893675)
Dark City and The Thirteenth Floor are a few of my top sci-fi movies of all time. Both have themes that echo the Matrix, but done in a much more subtle and thought provoking way IMHO.

It's a shame The Thirteenth Floor came out the same year as the Matrix...

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by xtracto on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:44AM (#31896172)
Yes yes!! these are two of my favourite all time movies. Kiefer Sutherland acting in Dark City is amazing. Those are two movies I can re-watch several times without getting tired of them.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by jsemrau on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:20AM (#31893506)
Stargate is remarkable rewatchable. Such an amazing premise. Today's stories are so convoluted.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by toyg on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:09AM (#31895629)
Verhoeven is textbook boomer: absolutely masterful at his peak, and utterly insufferable in old age.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by MobileVet on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:17AM (#31894184)
Philip K Dick’s influence and ‘ahead of his time’ thinking can not be understated. The creativity and depth to his concepts and simply astounding.

The adaptations of his work are big names…

“Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep” -> Blade Runner

“We Can Remember It For You Wholesale” -> Total Recall

“Minority Report -> The Minority Report

“Scanner Darkly” -> Scanner Darkly

“The Man in the High Castle” -> The Man in the High Castle

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by arunix on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:09AM (#31894807)
"Adjustment Team" -> The Adjustment Bureau
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by MobileVet on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:07AM (#31895601)
I have heard good things about that but have't checked it out yet...
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by Andrew_nenakhov on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:18AM (#31891184)
Paul Verhoeven is a genius director, whos sci-fi movies were among the best filmed in eighties and nineties.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by rawoke083600 on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:35AM (#31891972)
>I'd also mention Total Recall in a a positive light (and an example of something that Hollywood doesn't do anymore). The most unique thing about that movie is that it's effectively two different movies. I saw that movie when I was young and found it satisfying

Me as a 12 year old: The lady has 3 boobs !

Me watching as an adult. Great sci-fi movie !

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by mihaic on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:48AM (#31893215)
I now honestly think that great entertainment is an action-lead plot that's executed by an auteur with a deep vision, helped by a crew of true professionals. I was reminded of how great and multilayered Conan the Barbarian (also with Arnold), and how perfect the soundtrack, sets and underlying themes work in the movie.

They never attempt anything begging for awards, nor the signaling that many modern filmmakers do just to impress, they just put in the things that seemed to work best.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by peoplefromibiza on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:03AM (#31893345)
> and how perfect the soundtrack, sets and underlying themes work in the movie.

Basil Poledouris is a true genius

Not surprisingly he worked with Milius on many other movies besides "Conan the Barbarian" and Verhoeven, who directed Total Recall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Poledouris

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by zasdffaa on Monday June 27, 2022 @03:44AM (#31891685)
I can't see it how you saw it. Me + brother watched it and thought it was 'disappointing' (me) and 'idiotic' (him). But to each their own.

The 'heavy on philosophy' - what do you refer to. The trope about what is reality has history (recently 'inception', going back to the early 70's with 'Night of Delusions' by Keith Laumer and I'm sure it goes back a long way more) and rarely gets answered properly, so nothing much philosophical there. We thought it was just a bad film.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by jedberg on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:22AM (#31891904)
Did you watch the original or the remake?
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by zasdffaa on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:27AM (#31891929)
That was our view of the original that we watched when it first came out.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by Noumenon72 on Monday June 27, 2022 @05:10AM (#31892186)
You can piece together the entire movie by watching clips on YouTube. I try out a lot of movies this way, but Total Recall is the one I loved the most. It's a whole different world.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by CodeBeater on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:33AM (#31893651)
Asian cinema still produces movies with deep philosophical twists like that. Check out some YouTube recaps for any movie that seems out-there and you'll find out that more often than not it was made in Asia.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by megablast on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:33AM (#31891281)
They remade it a few years ago, almost shot for shot
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by lelanthran on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:30AM (#31893090)
> They remade it a few years ago, almost shot for shot

That's a pretty strange way of say "an entirely different movie".

The biggest thing: it lacked the depth of the original.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by stalkerman on Monday June 27, 2022 @03:45AM (#31891694)
No Mars or big mysterious alien machines were quite important parts to the original for me. The remake was very meh in comparison.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by effingwewt on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:01AM (#31891790)
Yea it was far from shot for shot.

It had a very definitive ending, and felt shallow.

The original movie and the short story are some of my favorites.

I later read an article or something about the original movie about how when Quaid begins to break the scenes use red lighting. And when the doctor comes into the room and warns that if Quaid kills him that the walls would crumble, etc. All of it happens.

The entire plot is designed by Quaid in the beginning, down to his love interest.

So the end begged the question of whether he really uncovered memories, or if he had an adverse reaction and when the doctor tried to help Quaid shot him and delved into his psychosis.

Apparently the remake had a director's cut that tried to make the ending more ambiguous, but I've never seen that version- once was enough.

Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by Agamus on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:06AM (#31894031)
Has anyone reading ever seen a movie remake that was better than the original?
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by philipkglass on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:50PM (#31897255)
John Carpenter's The Thing from 1982 is better than the original 1951 The Thing From Another World.
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by dap on Monday June 27, 2022 @09:11AM (#31894090)
True Grit Angels in the Outfield
Re:Hollywood doesn’t make movies like ‘The Fugitive’ anymore... by teolandon on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:45PM (#31897176)
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