Now nobody is taking the responsibility, but we still have the norms.
Medical drugs have been in use for hundreds of years. Fearing experimental drugs isn't rational.
Or
Doctors have been doing surgery for hundreds of years. Fear of surgery isn't rational.
There are at least three entirely rational reasons to "fear" vaccines:
1. They're a category, not a specific product. Safety of one doesn't automatically imply safety of all. See examples above.
2. The history of vaccines is full of failures which ended up injuring or killing healthy people e.g. polio, in more recent times, Pandemrix.
3. Vaccines appear to trigger deeply problematic psychology in which people point blank refuse to believe in any downsides at all, something you don't see in e.g. chemotherapy, surgery, drug treatments and so on. Probably it's the combination of giving them to healthy people and the collective/coercive policies that often accompany them. If anything goes wrong at all, ever, then you've hurt an innocent person who was previously fine and who trusted you, which would be tough for even the coldest most calculating person to handle. And people in public health appear to be the exact opposite of that.
Therefore the sort of people who believe most strongly on vaccines are often poorly informed about them. You gave us a great example of this problem above when you revealed you thought VAERS had only 28,000 reports in it total. This is basic data and you weren't aware of it, so how rational can you really be on the topic? Certainly, vaccines are surrounded by immense propaganda as a topic.
By the way in case you're wondering, before the COVID mandates I never thought about vaccines, had taken my set of shots and held "anti vaxxers" in contempt like a typical HN user. Not anymore. Watching the process of development, testing, rollout subsequent cover-ups of the real data, and blanket censorship has changed me forever. You can't unsee what happened.
"Vaccines" which have been around for a long time and MRNA therapy for vaccination are two very different things. It's like saying "Fear of Sugar of Lead isn't rational because sugars have been around for all of human history."
You might want to consider broadening the scope of your investigation to include probable causes ...
For heart issues in young males at least the more probable cause is actually the vaccine, as per this paper in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/328529
I had long covid 14 months and never heard of myocarditis on forums before the shots. I had chest pain for a while but it was not permanent damage. Myocarditis is permanent damage.
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_...
Note that it correlates with the start of the vaccine rollout, not the start of COVID. The idea expressed above that it's all "long COVID" doesn't make much sense given that fact.
At this point it's very hard to see how it can be under-reported COVID deaths because Omicron mutated to become so much milder. The vaccines however generate large quantities of the more potent Wuhan 2019 spike.
Please including at least a few sentences that precisely describe the differences in the structure and chemistry of what you call the "Wuhan 2019 spike" compared to the Omicron spike protein.
It would be great if you could also explain specifically how differences between the structure and chemistry of the "Wuhan 2019 spike" and the Omicron spike protein support the allegations you're making.
Do you think differences in spike protein structure and chemistry have implications for immune system modulation via signaling molecules? If so, which signaling molecules and which cell lines?
Huh, OK. Odd question though. Isn't this widely covered in the press?
The vaccines code for the spike protein lifted from the original 2019 RNA sequencing reported by China. They were never adapted, all boosters are just more of the original. Omicron is highly mutated compared to both the 2019 strain and Delta. It has something like 40-odd mutations in the spike alone.
Above you claim these are "allegations" but that's really weird. These are well known facts disputed by nobody, as far as I know. It's not some anti-vax talking point. Go read the documents submitted to regulators if you like. The chemistry of the mRNA vaccines is public, there's a good explanation of the microbiology here:
https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source...
"Do you think differences in spike protein structure and chemistry have implications for immune system modulation via signaling molecules? If so, which signaling molecules and which cell lines?"
Well, this feels like a hostile question but whatever, I'll roll with it. At least you're engaging, which is better than most people with stars in their eyes about these things.
Omicron is materially different in ways that make the vaccines ineffective. This is one of at least three known reasons why case numbers in 2022 are much higher than in 2021/2020 despite everyone having taken a vaccine marketed as 95% effective. The three reasons (that I know of) are:
1. Antibodies to Wuhan spike fail to dock properly to Omicron spike, but the vaccine trains us to produce Wuhan spike.
https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abn7760
(this paper also describes the mutations saying there are 37 but the numbers I've seen vary, not sure why)
2. The 95% effectiveness number was most likely never true, as the trials had at least (a) design errors that were guaranteed to create the appearance of effectiveness in literally any substance (even water), and (b) trial fraud which is now only coming to light, in particular for Pfizer at the Argentina site.
3. The vaccines are triggering something called OAS, which is a form of imprinting. Immune systems repeatedly exposed to the vaccine over-train and start producing antibodies to the Wuhan-2019 spike even when challenged with Omicron, delaying the bodies initial response and meaning that people can get repeatedly sick with Omicron, over and over, without building proper immunity. The memory subsystem of the immune system just doesn't seem 100% precise, or maybe it's not meant to be, but whatever the reason it's been proven during the Moderna Omicron vaccine trials that this has happened (previously vaccinated people produced the wrong antibodies when injected with Omicron vaccine, which has delayed approval). This effect has been known about for decades but is poorly understood, and the risk of creating it simply wasn't considered during vaccine design or rollout.
So whilst that's not an explanation at the level of individual signalling molecules, it is an explanation in terms of immune system biology. Hope that satisfies.
The US VAERS vaccine adverse reporting system reports over ten thousand deaths post covid-vaccine, over two orders of magnitude more than reported for previous vaccines (including the flu vaccines which half of Americans take annually). Now, this does not imply causation, only autopsies can determine that, but for some reason in the US autopsies have not been done. In Germany, renowned pathologist Dr. Peter Schirmacher (acting chairman of the German Society of Pathology, director of the Institute of Pathology at Heidelberg University Hospital, and president of the German Association for the Study of the Liver) did conduct such autopsies, and found that 30-40% of the deaths following soon after vaccination were indeed caused by the vaccine.
Not only does it not imply causation it doesn't even imply correlation. If you got the vaccine and were subsequently hit by a truck you could end up in VAERS.
> found that 30-40% of the deaths following soon after vaccination were indeed caused by the vaccine
No, they didn't.
e.g. https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports/2251260
"On 06-Feb-2022, the patient received the 3rd vaccination with this vaccine. Pyrexia of 39 degrees Celsius developed. The patient took loxoprofen sodium hydrate, and the symptoms subsided. On 08-Feb-2022, around 20:00, the patient was confirmed as alive. Myocarditis developed. On 09-Feb-2022, at 07:00, the patient was found dead in the room. On an unknown date, autopsy was performed. No dissection was performed. The outcome of pyrexia was reported as resolved. The outcome of myocarditis was reported as fatal. Follow-up investigation will be made.
Company Comment: The events developed after the administration of ELASOMERAN and there is temporal relationship. Reporter's Comments: Since no electrocardiogram was performed during the medical examination, the condition of the heart is unknown. There is no lesion in the brain such as subarachnoid hemorrhage. As CT scan showed no remarkable findings, the causality between this vaccine and death is considered unknown."
(n.b. Elasomeran is the Moderna vaccine). There are ~28,000 like that in VAERS and more in other countries equivalents. The party line on these reports is they're all written by fools and things like a healthy 29 year old dying of myocarditis just days after taking a vaccine known to cause exactly that problem, is simply "unknown causality" and a coincidence that tells us nothing.
Unfortunately there's also the correlation with excess deaths.
https://bartram.substack.com/p/increased-deaths-in-england-f...
"I note that we managed to get through the Omicron wave in the UK with normal levels of excess deaths in those aged 75-85, but as soon as the booster doses were rolled out we rapidly hit the threshold for a ‘substantial increase’."
People who are trying to convince themselves and others that this is all just mysteriously undetectable COVID need to explain why the correlations are wrong.
Who is allowed, in theory anyone but if you browse the database you'll discover most are coming from doctors and pharma firms. The latter are obliged to report events when they become aware of them and awareness of reporting systems outside the medical profession is low. The one I cited was picked semi randomly while writing that post (first report that was of a young person's death with more than a few lines of detail), and it came via pharma.
At any rate, as you just saw, the reports from medical "professionals" are not more professional than ones from average people. They have more detail but are so reluctant to acknowledge the obvious that they'll happily claim deaths that occur days after injection from known vaccine side effects are just coincidences.
The vaccine is like any substance that goes into our bodies, it might have complex interactions with the functioning of the body, just as is true for the foods we eat, the things we encounter in our environment, even aspirin was recently reconsidered as a general thing to take daily. The vaccine has been extensively tested and now we have real world testing with billions of doses given that it is extremely safe.
It's hard for people to talk about any potential concerns because of the huge number of people fixated on the fact that it could have other effects (like every single medicine in the world) who constantly make bad faith arguments (you have some sickness and got the vaccine and thus they claim the "obvious" connection). People had difficult to diagnose things like chronic fatigue syndrome before there was ever a covid vaccine and we don't understand those either.
Anyway, focusing on the specifics of the concerns is to avoid the more fundamental point, which is that doctors are not some cohort which one can implicitly trust to be guided by pure objective truth and scientific rigor at all times, nor are they a perfectly homogeneous group in lockstep agreement on all scientific questions.
Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there