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Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by causality0 on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:23AM (#31558694)
I see the point of that dishwasher for someone who doesn't have easy access to a sink like a student in a dorm, but I can't fathom why you'd put one in a house or apartment. With such a tiny capacity you're better off hand washing.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by hguant on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:57AM (#31559005)
1. Handwashing is water inefficient compared to a lot of dishwashers; if this is something that's important to you, a device like this makes ecologic, if not necessarily economic sense

2. Dishwashers are expensive to people not on tech salaries. All upfront costs are difficult; a smaller upfront payment with a recurring monthly/quarterly subscription payment is much more manageable for many people.

3. There are many homes in America that aren't configured for a dishwasher and it would be expensive/difficult to remodel to get one to fit. Anecdotally, my cousin out in <small town outside a college> has this problem - he and his wife would greatly appreciate a dishwasher in their lives, but their home was built in the 1940s and renovating isn't happening on a post-doc + special ed teacher's combined salary

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by spiffytech on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:49AM (#31559607)
> Handwashing is water inefficient compared to a lot of dishwashers

My grandmother insisted the right way to hand-wash dishes was to plug the sink and fill it up, scrub with your hands in the water, then drain and rinse everything all at once.

That should be similar efficiency (or greater?) vs a modern dishwasher, but I'm not sure anyone does that anymore. Everyone else I've seen leaves the water running the whole time.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by madeofpalk on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:12AM (#31559870)
It looks like this dishwasher uses only 3 litres of water for a full cycle. That's probably significantly less than you're filling your sink up.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by lupire on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:34AM (#31560094)
But it takes more than one cycle for a full load of dishes.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by menage on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:38AM (#31560156)
That's the standard UK way of washing dishes, but usually with a soak in the hot soapy water first to reduce the scrubbing effort.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by tomohawk on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:25AM (#31559308)
> water inefficient

Only if you don't know how to wash dishes by hand. Hand washing can be more efficient.

If you live in one of those unsustainable cities built in a desert, this probably matters, but as someone who doesn't, I'm sick of subsidizing that lifestyle by having to deal with cleaning devices designed for those conditions that don't work well.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by theturtle32 on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:36PM (#31560746)
> renovating isn't happening on a post-doc + special ed teacher's combined salary

It just makes me sad that we so deeply undervalue skilled, highly educated people who choose to dedicate their lives to helping raise up and advance the next generation, and help empower and enable those with disabilities and other disadvantages. The fact that it just seems obvious that these people based on their professions won't be able to afford a remodel goes to show just how deeply ingrained this undervaluing is in our collective psyches. :(

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by detritus on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:47AM (#31559568)
How much would this have to be used to offset the (materials/energy/water) cost of manufacturing it though?
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by bpye on Monday May 30, 2022 @05:24PM (#31563780)
Yeah, I don’t think this would really have a market in much of the US or Canada where even older apartments typically have dishwashers, maybe in cities like NYC there are folks that would find it useful?

But lots of U.K. homes don’t have a dishwasher and the kitchen without probably a full renovation wouldn’t accommodate one. In that context - I think this is a pretty great product. I wouldn’t be surprised if the situation is similar elsewhere in Europe, where the buildings predate dishwashers being a common appliance.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by DantesKite on Monday May 30, 2022 @01:22PM (#31561281)
4. Dishwashers catch on fire fairly easily and commonly. Perhaps that one is a safer design.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by oehpr on Monday May 30, 2022 @04:21PM (#31563259)
>2. Dishwashers are expensive to people not on tech salaries. All upfront costs are difficult; a smaller upfront payment with a recurring monthly/quarterly subscription payment is much more manageable for many people.

I really think this line of thinking needs to die. Micro financing isn't helping the poor, it's exploiting the poor. It doesn't help to make the total cost of everything much more expensive.

What's the difference between the Bob dishwasher and buying this[1] and financing with a a payday loan center?

[1](https://www.amazon.ca/Portable-Countertop-Dishwasher-Vegetab...)

As far as I can tell, the Bob dishwasher still costs this much anyway.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by ameesdotme on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:38AM (#31558817)
Bob- and apartment-owner here. We have a small kitchen and just don't have the space for a full-sized dishwasher. Bob fits snugly in the cabinet under the sink and runs once a day for a 2-person household.

It's perfect for our needs and saves us a lot of both time and water.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by fundatus on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:20AM (#31559973)
Same! Also it washes at up to 70°C which you simply can't do when hand washing - but it gives you a much better result with less water usage.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by geewee on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:43AM (#31560203)
Much more energy usage though!
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by kilroy123 on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:46AM (#31558896)
I'm guessing you're not from Europe? Most flats are very small and there's simply no space for a traditional, large American style dishwasher.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by seu on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:30AM (#31558749)
Exactly. And especially considering the costs, which would have been very easy to calculate before purchasing the thing.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by Wohlf on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:55AM (#31558983)
If it was my only option due to lack of space or not being allowed to install a full-size, I'd still find it worthwhile now that I eat at home much more often.

One to two loads a day would handle everything but the pots and pans for me and my partner while we can do other things, plus it would still use less water and electricity.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by wombat-man on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:59AM (#31559032)
I did my own dishes for a while. It wasn’t so bad, but if I didn’t have a machine now I’d love something like this to handle the small plates and flatware.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by miralize on Monday May 30, 2022 @02:33PM (#31562078)
That definitely works if you have two functioning hands, and some may not. I would love a product like this.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by JohnJamesRambo on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:29AM (#31558744)
I feel like my full size dishwasher doesn’t hold enough dishes…
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by micromacrofoot on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:12AM (#31559162)
why? I just put my dishes in and press a button. Dishes come out clean, I spend no time washing.