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Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by jazzythom on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:30PM (#31454764)
my tinder has been quiet for years. I’m looking for an attractive mate and I’m 1) not that attractive 2) fat 3) bald(ing) 4) old enough to be the father of those I consider 5) not rich or successful (yet) and worst of all if I got the pretty girl I wouldn't know what to do with her. I don’t want to be that guy. What I want is to go back in time to when I was young. I guess dating just wasn't in my lot. Everyone gets something, nobody gets everything.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by ddhhyy on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:49PM (#31454863)
Tinder is murder. I'm 39, male, tall, attractive, fit, educated, etc. in a small-midsized city and it's extremely, extremely, rare to get a match. Very occasionally (1-2x/year, in my experience) things progress to a date/hookup. If you really want to use apps, I'd suggest exploring others. I've had the most success (relatively) with Hinge.

I'd agree with sibling comment that meeting people out in the world can be a lot more fulfilling. You probably know within seconds if you're (physically) attracted to people in the world. Apps can be deceiving.

Keep in mind that in your list of five items, you can manage all of them. If you want it badly enough, you can change #2, and based on your comment I'd argue this (negative self-image) may be at the root here. #3 is not a problem if you don't let it be--plenty of Bic-ed bald guys with attractive mates out there. We are all doled the genes we must live with, but I bet many of the perceived issues with #1 and #3 will improve if you fix #2. None of the women I have dated have cared, at all, about the money I do or don't have (#5). I live in a backyard cottage. I drive a 20 year old car. And as for #4, I can tell you I had a no-strings-attached relationship with a 21 year old for several months last year. She worked at the farmers market, which is where we met. I don't mean to brag, but you need know that each of those items in your list really is in your control.

It's a grind and a slog and it's scary to have conversations with complete strangers. But if it's something you want, I tell you it is possible.

EDIT: I should also mention I'm no "natural". I was terrified of girls in high school, didn't kiss anyone until I halfway through college, was stuck in a loveless long-term relationship for a decade after college because I was sure no one else other than this one person would ever love me, etc. It took a lot of learning and healing to describe myself as I did in the first paragraph. If I could do it, you can do it.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by airstrike on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:35PM (#31455044)
Just wanted to say 1000x this.

At the end of the day, we've got to live with the choices we make. And the choices we choose not to make are still choices.

And if you can't make yourself make those healthier / better choices even though you know the payoff is worth it, then you need to address the root cause that's driving that irrational behavior.

(Don't mean to sound callous but this feels like the right audience to be hyperlogical with.)

Easier said than done, but trust me it's possible.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by quest88 on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:39PM (#31455062)
Don't use Tinder! I signed up for Tinder and got no dates. I had too many dates on Hinge.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by gooeykabuki on Monday May 23, 2022 @12:25AM (#31475345)
How exactly did you heal yourself? Knowing what you know now, what was most effective?
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by gooeykabuki on Monday May 23, 2022 @09:53AM (#31479058)
also drop your email in your profile.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by majormajor on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:34PM (#31454781)
Sure, if "wanting someone half your age who's far more attractive" outweighs your desire to not be alone, you're out of luck. But "I'm vain and want a trophy" is a different problem than aging alone.

If you really wanted it you could spend a couple years getting in tip-top shape and expand your pool to more like late-30s and you might have better luck than you think... But you gotta put in SOME effort.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by bigDinosaur on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:38PM (#31455057)
Abandon Tinder. It works for certain demographics but it is amazingly awful for everyone else. You can absolutely still date, in fact I'm constantly surprised by the older people in my life who seem to have no problem finding dates. You do have to have something going for you beyond looks, a certain kind of success which may not be financial.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by shahar2k on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:32PM (#31454775)
I'm 40 myself and I find that a lot of the issues with online dating is that pretty much all apps lead with your age. the other thing I've found is that I have SO much more luck in person meeting new people also finding people based on shared interst is pretty much required now, as generalized socializing almost doesnt happen.

for me it's been boardgaming, polyamory meetups mainly... and volunteering to teach things.

it's a muscle, socializing, it's something that improves with use (but also gets exhausted with overuse)

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by meken on Saturday May 21, 2022 @12:24AM (#31455228)
What kind of volunteer teaching do you do?
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by rr808 on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:45PM (#31454844)
4) old enough to be the father of those I consider

Yeah this is the real problem. Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models, but you have to be special to do this. You really would have a lot more than no success with people your own age.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by derbOac on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:48PM (#31454854)
An aside, but not everyone wants to date 20 year old models.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by shahar2k on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:07PM (#31454928)
as someone who has dated a 20 year old (I was in my early 30's at the time) and met many others her age through social situations... most 20 year olds are just kids still, something I felt at the time and moreso these days... my tastes though really heavily lean towards maturity, it was a weird coincidence we even got into a relationship
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by seydor on Saturday May 21, 2022 @02:39PM (#31460585)
And not all 20 y o are models. People with little romantic experience tend to fit better with younger women because women of the same age generally have more romantic experience
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by pengaru on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:30PM (#31455023)
> Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models

This is conflating fucking with dating.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by jazzythom on Saturday May 21, 2022 @06:12PM (#31462461)
I instantly fall in love with someone I sleep with. In fact I make a connection to any girl I deem pretty that makes eye contact on the subway. I feel a little hurt when they get off the train without saying goodbye
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by XorNot on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:23PM (#31454999)
> Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models

No they really don't. This is an idea pushed by sociopaths who are somewhere between trash and downright dangerous. They can't date older women because older women spot their bullshit a mile away and steer clear.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by aortega on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:38PM (#31455055)
>They can't date older women because older women spot their bullshit a mile away and steer clear.

I think you should stop demonizing men's natural sexual preferences. Key word here is natural, we don't choose what we like. Nature choose for us, and young women are better at having children. Same reason young girls choose tall, rich men, because they are better at surviving and have more resources for raising children.

Nature maximizes reproduction and that's what we like.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by Talanes on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:48PM (#31455091)
We don't know what the default state of human attraction is because we don't have access to a control population of human beings without the same shared societal history of the rest of us.

Which is to say, it's incorrect to broaden your personal attractions to all men, and especially incorrect to try and couch it in some argument of biological naturalism.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by auggierose on Saturday May 21, 2022 @05:49AM (#31456579)
Not assuming either point of view here, but just because you cannot run an experiment, doesn't mean that the result of the experiment will be negative. So you don't know if GP is incorrect or not.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by aortega on Saturday May 21, 2022 @04:03PM (#31461292)
So you are saying sexual attraction is cultural? because that's exactly what the gay community is fighting against since the 1950s.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by LambdaComplex on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:32PM (#31459956)
Well, I'm certainly not gonna go ask the Sentinelese about their dating preferences
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by yitr on Saturday May 21, 2022 @05:19AM (#31456467)
if you had to guess, what do you think people in that control group would be attracted to?
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by woyakcrying_jpg on Saturday May 21, 2022 @09:49AM (#31457890)
I think you should stop extrapolating your personal preferences to half of the world's population, too. Something as varying as sexual attraction can't be reduced to a fixed trait that "nature" has figured out. Indeed we don't choose what we like, and that is fine. You don't have to rationalize your preferences to anyone.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by anthk on Saturday May 21, 2022 @10:35AM (#31458270)
Sadly he is right. Men choose younger as a sign of being able to reproduce. Women, older with high status, because they can reproduce until very late. Women can't. Over the age of 30 there's severe risk.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by SnowHill9902 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @10:41AM (#31458310)
Whoa.

Yes, at least date we do. Not necessarily marry, not necessarily spend a Sunday with, but date sure.

For centuries high status men have mated with younger women.

You sound bitter and resentful.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by anthk on Saturday May 21, 2022 @10:37AM (#31458286)
No, you are wrong. Women's healthy reproductibility rate decays every year over age 30. Men don't have that issues. Biology rules.
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Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by paleotrope on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:38PM (#31455053)
If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life never make a pretty woman your wife, so for my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by lurquer on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:58PM (#31455127)
Great song…

The unspoken happy secret behind that point of view is that the ugly girl who loves you will become, in your eyes, the most beautiful woman in the world.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by denton-scratch on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:05PM (#31459652)
That is true; which is why it's a lie to say that when she leaves you, you won't mind.

Country music lyrics aren't a good basis for a philosophy of life.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by bambax on Saturday May 21, 2022 @04:29AM (#31456243)
> Reminds me of a famous country music song I once heard that goes "pretty girls are nothing but trouble. Date an ugly one".

There's this one:

    Always marry an ugly girl
    That's the only kind
    She'll never ever leave you
    And if she does you won't mind
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by denton-scratch on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:03PM (#31459632)
It's a nice story, but don't rely on that myth. She might well leave you; and you probably will mind.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by denton-scratch on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:01PM (#31459607)
> 20 year-old models aren't all they are cracked up to be.

I'm 65, and I wouldn't expect much from a relationship with anyone under 30. I mean, I can get on with such people; but most of my own foundational experiences occured during the 70s and 80s, so I wouldn't be able to share them. Tastes in music, political and social outlook, these things matter more than raw physical attraction after the first couple of months.

Also, it seems to me that the way people interact has changed; young people talk differently from my generation. I think there's more pressure to be "sociable" in particular ways. About 90% of young women, for example, are constantly texting, and I have to dodge them when I walk down the street, because they have lost all situational awareness.

And arm-candy would be no use to me at all, because I'm the opposite of arm-candy - overweight and balding. I'd be ashamed to be seen out-and-about with a tasty girl young enough to be my daughter.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by earth_walker on Saturday May 21, 2022 @10:37AM (#31458289)
I'll chime in with some CanCon courtesy of the Northern Pikes:

    Her ego wrote cheques incredibly fast
    But her personality didn't have the cash
    I laughed out loud to my total dismay
    She ain't pretty she just looks that way
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by fartcannon on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:37PM (#31455052)
What song is that? What came to my mind was 'If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life' by Jimmy Soul which is a doo-wop song you couldn't write anymore.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by starkd on Saturday May 21, 2022 @10:58AM (#31458459)
I don't remember and can't seem to find it. I remember people talking about the song more than the song itself, so it would be hard to recognize it. But the Jimmy Soul one makes the point well enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EqFVWzOfN8
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by glatisaint on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:35PM (#31454786)
Couldn't you date someone attainable rather than staying single to keep a fantasy alive?
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by jazzythom on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:42PM (#31454827)
Sound logic but settling isn't my strong suit. Also I very much wanted children
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by deanmoriarty on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:51PM (#31454869)
I do not disagree with you. I’m in a happy relationship, but if I wasn’t I’d rather be single than settling with someone I wouldn’t find attractive just because they were “attainable”.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by bpodgursky on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:04AM (#31455377)
You can absolutely still have children, but you're going to have to settle slightly on aesthetics to find a woman 30-35 who considers you in her league.

(also, just lose some weight, even if you don't get fit. it's an incredible level-up.)

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by bambax on Saturday May 21, 2022 @04:27AM (#31456234)
This comment is reminiscent of a funny interview Larry David did on Conan:

> My problem is that I was very particular, which is odd because I was very desperate at the time. (...) You'll find that a lot of desperate people are very particular, like even Quasimodo. The hunchback had to have the best looking girl in the village. And then his friends would like and fix him up. They'd go "Quasi, there's a very nice girl in my office, a wonderful personality; I want to introduce you to her." (With a bizarre voice:) "Is she good looking?" "But Quasi! You're a monster! You're a heinous beast! What are you talking about?!" (Same bizarre voice:) "She has to be good looking."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug02cqP69V4

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by jazzythom on Saturday May 21, 2022 @06:00AM (#31456616)
That’s very funny and true but it makes sense. You want your offspring hopefully to be more attractive than you are, in addition to other beneficial hereditary traits. And its a competitive play, since each successive generation seems to be more attractive generally, with the losers of each round childless. So you’re leveraging your other qualities to the maximum without going too far and ending up with nothing. Its a gamble
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by t-3 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @12:19AM (#31455212)
Honestly, you're in the second best age group for women in their 20's and 30's. Daddy issues are rife. Looks don't matter much either.

Really, being able to talk will get you a lot farther than a six-pack and full head of hair. Trying to meet people on the hookup apps is an exercise in frustration for most people though, just go outside and be social.

Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by pengaru on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:20PM (#31454982)
Get proper fit and shave your head.
Re:On Aging Alone (2021) by weakfish on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:25AM (#31455470)
I think your problem is setting your standards unreasonably high. It may be time to focus your energy inward on exercise and self-care, as a confident and well rounded man is far more attractive to many.