An aside, but not everyone wants to date 20 year old models.

as someone who has dated a 20 year old (I was in my early 30's at the time) and met many others her age through social situations... most 20 year olds are just kids still, something I felt at the time and moreso these days... my tastes though really heavily lean towards maturity, it was a weird coincidence we even got into a relationship

And not all 20 y o are models. People with little romantic experience tend to fit better with younger women because women of the same age generally have more romantic experience

> Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models

This is conflating fucking with dating.

I instantly fall in love with someone I sleep with. In fact I make a connection to any girl I deem pretty that makes eye contact on the subway. I feel a little hurt when they get off the train without saying goodbye

> Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models

No they really don't. This is an idea pushed by sociopaths who are somewhere between trash and downright dangerous. They can't date older women because older women spot their bullshit a mile away and steer clear.

>They can't date older women because older women spot their bullshit a mile away and steer clear.

I think you should stop demonizing men's natural sexual preferences. Key word here is natural, we don't choose what we like. Nature choose for us, and young women are better at having children. Same reason young girls choose tall, rich men, because they are better at surviving and have more resources for raising children.

Nature maximizes reproduction and that's what we like.

We don't know what the default state of human attraction is because we don't have access to a control population of human beings without the same shared societal history of the rest of us.

Which is to say, it's incorrect to broaden your personal attractions to all men, and especially incorrect to try and couch it in some argument of biological naturalism.

Not assuming either point of view here, but just because you cannot run an experiment, doesn't mean that the result of the experiment will be negative. So you don't know if GP is incorrect or not.

So you are saying sexual attraction is cultural? because that's exactly what the gay community is fighting against since the 1950s.

Well, I'm certainly not gonna go ask the Sentinelese about their dating preferences

if you had to guess, what do you think people in that control group would be attracted to?

I think you should stop extrapolating your personal preferences to half of the world's population, too. Something as varying as sexual attraction can't be reduced to a fixed trait that "nature" has figured out. Indeed we don't choose what we like, and that is fine. You don't have to rationalize your preferences to anyone.

Sadly he is right. Men choose younger as a sign of being able to reproduce. Women, older with high status, because they can reproduce until very late. Women can't. Over the age of 30 there's severe risk.

Whoa.

Yes, at least date we do. Not necessarily marry, not necessarily spend a Sunday with, but date sure.

For centuries high status men have mated with younger women.

You sound bitter and resentful.

No, you are wrong. Women's healthy reproductibility rate decays every year over age 30. Men don't have that issues. Biology rules.

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life never make a pretty woman your wife, so for my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.

Great song…

The unspoken happy secret behind that point of view is that the ugly girl who loves you will become, in your eyes, the most beautiful woman in the world.

That is true; which is why it's a lie to say that when she leaves you, you won't mind.

Country music lyrics aren't a good basis for a philosophy of life.

> Reminds me of a famous country music song I once heard that goes "pretty girls are nothing but trouble. Date an ugly one".

There's this one:

    Always marry an ugly girl
    That's the only kind
    She'll never ever leave you
    And if she does you won't mind

It's a nice story, but don't rely on that myth. She might well leave you; and you probably will mind.

> 20 year-old models aren't all they are cracked up to be.

I'm 65, and I wouldn't expect much from a relationship with anyone under 30. I mean, I can get on with such people; but most of my own foundational experiences occured during the 70s and 80s, so I wouldn't be able to share them. Tastes in music, political and social outlook, these things matter more than raw physical attraction after the first couple of months.

Also, it seems to me that the way people interact has changed; young people talk differently from my generation. I think there's more pressure to be "sociable" in particular ways. About 90% of young women, for example, are constantly texting, and I have to dodge them when I walk down the street, because they have lost all situational awareness.

And arm-candy would be no use to me at all, because I'm the opposite of arm-candy - overweight and balding. I'd be ashamed to be seen out-and-about with a tasty girl young enough to be my daughter.

I'll chime in with some CanCon courtesy of the Northern Pikes:

    Her ego wrote cheques incredibly fast
    But her personality didn't have the cash
    I laughed out loud to my total dismay
    She ain't pretty she just looks that way

What song is that? What came to my mind was 'If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life' by Jimmy Soul which is a doo-wop song you couldn't write anymore.

I don't remember and can't seem to find it. I remember people talking about the song more than the song itself, so it would be hard to recognize it. But the Jimmy Soul one makes the point well enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EqFVWzOfN8