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Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by christophilus on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @06:40AM (#31421125)
Gah. Please stop using Medium.

We should have a HN guideline to add (Medium) to the title when the URL itself obfuscates that fact.

Anyway, I agree with the article. I find myself resorting to reader mode more and more these days partly due to crummy web fonts, partly due to janky JS and bloat, and partly due to unreadable color combinations.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by CraigJPerry on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:21AM (#31421394)
>> partly due to janky JS and bloat

Are there any effective browser extensions to intelligently prevent things like a "Subscribe to our newsletter" popover?

I'm trying to think how i could tell uBlock origin to intercept any element with a high z-index which has it's ".display" attribute changed only in response to a timer or a scroll event.

In firefox i have the "I don't care about cookies" plugin and i genuinely forget that noise exists on the web until i use another browser and it all comes flooding back. I'm hoping there's something similar for this endemic cruft the web has been filled with.

Reader mode can be useful. NoScript can be useful but can also be painful.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by paulmooreparks on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:49AM (#31421608)
My solution is to close the browser tab whenever a popover appears. I always have plenty of other open tabs to read.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by nkozyra on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:47AM (#31422717)
Yeah.

I used to dive into the console and start removing stuff and even went so far as to write a bookmarklet that tries to identify and nuke anything with fixed position and reset the height to auto on body/html but ... if someone's going to be that user hostile it's not worth my time.

When this happens I'll copy the url, close the tab and paste it into archive.is.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by nttl on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:03AM (#31422251)
same here. I don't even get mad anymore, just instantly close the page. This includes the cookie popup as well on mobile.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by acomms on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:54AM (#31422795)
I tried this method, but i'm finding it impossible to book movie tickets when I keep closing the window on their homepage.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by noisem4ker on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:28AM (#31421450)
From the same author as "I don't care about cookies":

https://www.no-thanks-extension.com/

I haven't personally tried it yet, but I'm tempted.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by victorvscn on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:58AM (#31421663)
Edit: it's a subscription. No, thanks. I much prefer the crowdsourcing model, which allows the entire world to have it (and contribute to it), and not only those who can pay such prices (that are quite expensive in most of the world, including where I live).
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by jamespo on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:29AM (#31421935)
The problem I would think is the overlap for this of users who want jank removed from web pages and those who would choose to pay for it if optional is small.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by TuringTest on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:51AM (#31422775)
It may be small in proportion, but large enough so that a Kickstarter could raise enough money to create and free the code as opensource.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by Larrikin on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:12AM (#31421785)
Another subscription service and software you can't actually buy is much worse than the annoyance of pop overs. Does it atleast keep working without updates after a year?
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by okl on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:30AM (#31421459)
I'm using uBlock Origin, don't get any of that. Be sure to enable all the "annoyance" filter lists in the settings.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by victorvscn on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:52AM (#31421628)
I think it's about the websites you visit. If you only use "tech-y" or smaller niche websites you don't come across them. But if you visit websites like from the big news media or even niche websites that are not in English. There are filters for all major languages but there are certainly fewer skilled filter writers with time and willingness to write them in other languages.

There's also a gap of websites that are big enough to have this corporativist behavior of putting annoying... objects in their webpages, but not big enough that enough people visit to the point where it's likely that one of them will write the script.

Especially because, like, I do write some stuff for userstyles and userscripts sometimes, but I won't publish them unless I think they'll be useful for at least a small group of people, which I never seem to think will happen for websites in my mother tongue for some reason.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by dredmorbius on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:04AM (#31422258)
uBlock origin and uMatix combined:

- Globally blacklist malicious JS (and other features) within uMatrix.

- uBlock Origin's "Annoyances" filter is highly effective.

- UBO's element remover tool is also quite good, and permanently removes misfeatures.

For added leverage, on desktop, I use Stylish to write custom CSS rules that assign annoyances the CSS property "display: none !important". This is typically on a site-by-site basis, though there may be some common targets that can be addressed either globally or with a standard stylesheet applied to multiple sites.

All of which is a pain, agreed, but less of one than not doing so.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by BolexNOLA on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:05AM (#31422269)
uBlock reminds me every day why I like HN so much with its big fat “0” on my browser border
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by schleck8 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:24AM (#31423154)
https://scribe.rip extracts medium text without javascript
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by basch on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:23AM (#31422450)
It's a little more manual but I like having Behind the Overlay installed. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/behind-the-overlay...

It's a one click removal. It's nice because I dont have to search for the nearly transparent x or tiny no thanks, I can just muscle memory to the same button in the toolbar of my browser every time.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by notorandit on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:10AM (#31422990)
Not for mobile...
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by BuyMyBitcoins on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:22AM (#31423132)
I know that such prompts are not technically pop up windows, but they are in spirit. I really wish the major search engines would penalize sites that use them, or that we would get browsers that started blocking them.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by coldpie on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:58AM (#31422185)
Yeah, the best solution is NoScript. It's not too painful as you tune your whitelist. It sucks, but it's better than the frigging popups. Even works well in Firefox for Android, which is a game changer.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by bstar77 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:52AM (#31422117)
Yes. I use tamper monkey to write scripts for sites I visit frequently that have annoying popups, content blocks (like chat) and link-jacking (streaming sports sites).
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:15AM (#31423840)
When NoScript becomes a pain it's time to close that tab.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by rattray on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:43AM (#31423410)
Give me a break. Medium is fine. The webfont they use is fine. Their jank is nonzero but minimal.

Sure, fine, whatever, The Web Is Worse Than It Used To Be. I wish every text-driven website (news, blogs, etc) rendered with zero jank and zero JS required. But Medium really isn't much worse here than everyone else. Their pages are more cluttered than they used to be, which sucks, but they're clearly just victims of the same forces driving all other commercial websites to do the same things.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by rawoke083600 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:40AM (#31421532)
>We should have a HN guideline to add (Medium) to the title when the URL itself obfuscates that fact.

100% agree !

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by dredmorbius on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:25AM (#31421893)
There is Scribe, at least as an alternaive front-end:

https://scribe.rip/please-stop-using-grey-text-3d3e71acfca8?...

It's similar in spirit to Invidious, Nitter, Teddit, and Bibliogram.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by PaulHoule on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:31AM (#31422532)
Medium is (so far) the ultimate manifestation of "Eternal September".

It doesn't just save people the technical effort of making a blog, but people think that it saves them the marketing effort -- which is a lot more effort.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by dwighttk on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:12AM (#31423012)
Coulda posted it as a text submission to HN so that it would be all grey text on beige background.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by Aardwolf on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:31AM (#31423244)
Indeed! From the article:

> And before we continue, let’s make it absolutely clear that we have no control of the color of the text in this very article, as it is hosted through Medium.com, which features poor visual accessibility of their site design.

Why do they do that? They even have their own domain, they can get a domain but they can't host text themselves and choose their own colors?

Medium unfortunately simply doesn't work on my phone. It shows the first paragraph of text, then just nothing, no button to expand text or anything either. Some bug, they can't even render a textual article even though browsers could do that in 1993.

Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by Myndex on Friday May 20, 2022 @12:27AM (#31443350)
The simple answer is that this one article received tens of thousands of reads in a day. My other sites, not so much,
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by bityard on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:01AM (#31422219)
If any young entrepreneurs are reading this, one of the few things I'd actually pay for is a web browser that worked like reader mode, but all the time.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by ModernMech on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:02AM (#31422237)
This existed and it was called Opera. It had the ability to replace the style sheet on a site with a custom version, one of which was a high contrast reader mode. Opera split into two, and the current version doesn’t have this feature but maybe Vivaldi still does?
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by 0des on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:08AM (#31422965)
Just about every browser has this.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by ModernMech on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:59AM (#31423626)
Then what's the problem? Why does parent want to pay for a feature they already have?
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by hughes on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:26AM (#31423173)
What should be used instead?
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by wutwutwutwut on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:16AM (#31423848)
HN text post. Here the text is sometimes lift gray on light gray background it seems. Much better!
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by kurupt213 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:13AM (#31423032)
I like you
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by galaktus on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:37AM (#31421515)
Why stop using Medium???
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by xigoi on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:33AM (#31422557)
Try reading a Medium article on slow internet connection (such as EDGE), then compare with a plain-text article like http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by rattray on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:46AM (#31423449)
Is there a full-featured, usable, free, no-code, no-sysadmin blog platform with performance akin to motherfuckingwebsite.com ?
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by xigoi on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:51AM (#31445648)
I haven't used it (I prefer to write my site myself), but perhaps https://bearblog.dev/?
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by rattray on Friday May 20, 2022 @12:02PM (#31449261)
Nice, that does fit the bill!

Note that it does not include custom domains or image uploading on the free plan, but you can upgrade for $29 (lifetime), which gets you:

    Custom domains (this is time-consuming)
    Image uploading (due to the cost of hosting images)
    Email subscriber lists (since it gets complicated)
    Beta features (since they aren't ready yet)
    You can upgrade for $29, flat.
The editing interface is just a textbox where you paste markdown; doesn't seem there's a github integration or anything like that, which is too bad.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by ok123456 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:18AM (#31421818)
Soft paywall for some random guy's blog. Uses 40mb of artisnal javascript to display a basic text document with a few images maybe. Hostile to the open web.
Re:Please Stop Using Grey Text by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:02AM (#31422886)
I stopped copying my articles there, some time ago.

I stopped when I posted an article, and Medium decided it was so good, that it deserved a paywall.