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Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by dhosek on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:07PM (#31369364)
I don’t know about you, but I pretty regularly have my chain derail on my bike (at least a few times per season). Then I end up with grease on my fingers as I fix it which can be a big inconvenience.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by olyjohn on Friday May 13, 2022 @01:15PM (#31370230)
Do you regularly run out of power on your chain powered bike though? I get the feeling this system requires a battery (it even mentions battery in the article), and most of the actual power comes from that. The question is, will the generator make enough power to get you moving if the battery is totally flat? I kinda feel like no, you'd have to sit there and pedal it just to charge it up, and then it would move you a few feet. Or you're going to be pedaling really fast, and moving nowhere.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by bryanlarsen on Friday May 13, 2022 @04:05PM (#31371991)
They claim to be 5% less efficient than a chain. So with a dead battery, you'd be limited to a speed of 95% of what you could do on a normal bicycle. That's if you're already moving. If you were at a dead stop I imagine you'd need to pedal a few strokes to get enough charge to get enough torque to overcome the stiction.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by tln on Friday May 13, 2022 @06:49PM (#31373330)
Where do they claim that efficiency? I'm pretty skeptical... Chain+Derailleurs can be 98% efficient IIRC
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by radu_floricica on Friday May 13, 2022 @11:09PM (#31374768)
Electric motors/generators are in the same range. Also I doubt they need to target the best possible chain bikes in order to be a viable solution.

Since it has a battery and the battery is (most likely) chargeable, a little loss of efficiency is inconsequential. On the other hand, having an actual physical chain on an electric bike seems indeed unnecessary - at least for less sporty applications, where things like "feel" or precise power delivery are not important. The end result will be a simpler, more reliable bike. Not to mention better looking.

Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by bryanlarsen on Saturday May 14, 2022 @12:36AM (#31375111)
I googled Schaeffer Free Drive efficiency.

A Tesla motor is 98.5% efficient, so a generator and motor combo being 93% efficient does not sound like a stretch.

Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by jandrese on Friday May 13, 2022 @01:33PM (#31370395)
You need to get your derailleurs adjusted. I bike almost every day and it never happens to me, even when I do inadvisable hard shifts.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by analog31 on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:21PM (#31369528)
Been there. If you're riding a 1x drivetrain, a narrow-wide chainring will greatly reduce chain drops. A conventional chainring is designed for the chain to be thrown off easily, and the front derailer keeps it there. On a 1x system, the ring can be designed differently.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by jasonwatkinspdx on Friday May 13, 2022 @03:22PM (#31371591)
Hey thanks for this. I realized one of my bikes has been built wrong since I got it 15 years ago due to this comment.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by KennyBlanken on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:38PM (#31369758)
Not really a normal thing;tTake your bicycle to a bicycle shop for diagnosis and repair. It make take a follow-up visit. Sometimes issues around dropping chains can be a bit complex to diagnose.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by Johnny555 on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:55PM (#31369982)
It only happens once a season or less for me and is almost always due to adjustment problems. And 90% of the time I can get it back on without touching the chain by using the front or rear derailleur.

If you're riding a single speed bike and the chain regularly derails, then that definitely sounds like a chain tension or alignment problem.

Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by xcskier56 on Friday May 13, 2022 @04:38PM (#31372302)
If your chain isn't too badly fallen off, you can usually just shift in the opposite direction of where it fell off and the derailleur will usually get the chain back on without having to get your fingers greasy.

Be careful when you do this so as to not apply too much power when you're trying to do this. If you're in a really high gear and it happens, you can get off, hold your rear tire off the ground and turn the pedals. Works 90% of the time unless you got your rear chain jammed between the cassette and the spoke.

Edit: You can very often see this if you watch professional bike racing. When the mechanics change a rear tire it will almost always knock the chain off of the front chainring. They'll just shift into the proper direct (low if it's off the high side and high if it's off the low side) and then spin the cranks and the chain will come back on.

Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by potta_coffee on Friday May 13, 2022 @03:57PM (#31371939)
I've gone entire seasons of hard mountain biking and touring without having my chain come off. I think your bike might need an adjustment or maybe you have a worn chainring.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by Steltek on Friday May 13, 2022 @02:56PM (#31371276)
1. Check your limit screws. Park Tool has nice Youtube videos for adjusting these.

2. If it's the rear derailleur, it may be bent (especially if your limit screws from step 1 are maxed out). You need a derailleur alignment gauge (or just take it to a shop) to verify.

Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by IshKebab on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:44PM (#31369848)
If it bothers you that much the solution is a belt drive, which is still more efficient than a generator.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by ramesh31 on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:24PM (#31369565)
Wait until your chain gets ransomware
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by sidewndr46 on Friday May 13, 2022 @12:53PM (#31369952)
It's really catastrophic when the drive chain's watchdog timer has to reset it because some function went awry.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by asdff on Friday May 13, 2022 @03:28PM (#31371653)
Not a normal thing. My chain never goes out. Only on janky beater bikes it did. To the bike shop you go.
Re:Chainless electric drive system “Free Drive” for bicycles... by throwawayboise on Friday May 13, 2022 @02:56PM (#31371284)
Tuck a pair of nitrile gloves under the saddle or into your toolkit. No greasy fingers.