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Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by tshaddox on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @12:57PM (#31342674)
Isn’t 3D easier? There sure is a lot more room.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by p1mrx on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:04PM (#31342787)
It's not the 3D that kills you; it's the sudden 2D at the end.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by anthropodie on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:09PM (#31342848)
Yup but I always thought what if we do like a 1 feet above the ground? We avoid death by plummeting from the sky.

There are other advantages like

- we don't need roads and we save a lot of energy and money on their construction and maintenance.

- we also save energy by going from point A to point B directly instead of following the road.

- No friction between tyre and ground

I guess the amount of energy required to keep vehicle above ground by 1 feet is more than all the savings combined.

Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by travisjungroth on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:15PM (#31342956)
You’re not going point to point a foot above the surface unless you’re over water (calm seas at that). Soviets built a concept plane that did just this, though. Airplanes are more efficient near the ground than a little bit away, but not as efficient as at normal cruising altitudes.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by tialaramex on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:48PM (#31343405)
You're probably thinking of Ground Effect Vehicles (sometimes Ekranoplans). The Russians built lots, not just as a concept, if you own a huge lake (not an ocean) they're somewhat practical for crossing it quickly. The Americans and Canadians (who also own some large lakes) have likewise built some of these.

The Ground Effect, as its name suggests, only exists near the ground, so in one sense you're "flying" but if the surface drops away you will fall too. Hence it's good on a lake or possibly open plains, but won't work on normal ground with rises and hills and so on, never mind buildings and trees.

Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by dredmorbius on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:51AM (#31352086)
I'd thought that there were only a few prototype Erkanoplans built, though it seems there actually was an operational fleet.

There's a particular larger model intended for defence purposes which saw only a single prototype, now abandoned.

The Soviet Navy ordered 120 Orlyonok-class ekranoplans, but this figure was later reduced to fewer than 30 vessels, with planned deployment mainly in the Black Sea and Baltic Sea fleets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-effect_vehicle#Soviet_U...

There is one specific prototype which has seen some attention (article and videos), the so-called "Caspian Sea Monster":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea_Monster

On HN a couple of years back:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24857096

For water use, hovercraft tend to be more flexible. They still experience issues in rough water, and though they can cross flat unimproved terrain (beaches, swamps, snow, meadows), they perform quite poorly on slopes, particularly laterally, and generally have poor lateral stability, notably with high winds.

Hydrofoils accomplish much the same capability on water. Tracked vehicles on land. Not having to support your mass dynamically also helps. That said, hovercraft remain useful for military marine beach landings. And eels.

Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by travisjungroth on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @02:26PM (#31343897)
I was thinking of the single giant transatlantic troop carrier they built. You’re right, there are others.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by PeterisP on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @03:38PM (#31344739)
3D has the problem is that you can't just stop, wait and think if anything is totally weird. A self-driving car can pull over if it's confused, a self-flying plane can't.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by moffkalast on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @05:29PM (#31346066)
Then again, self flying planes have been a thing since the early 1910s. It's far easier when you can just pick and altitude and heading and you're basically 99.9% in the clear that you won't hit anything.

In a car that approach will get you roughly a few meters forward, so it's incredibly hard to make a working car autopilot in comparison.

Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by Johnny555 on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @07:25PM (#31347296)
Well, usually it can stop, but if it gets confused during road construction where there's no shoulder to pull off to and it just stops in the road, you run the risk of a truck rear-ending you.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by Ambolia on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:09PM (#31342857)
Empty air, a 2d empty plane would be easy too. If it was 3d tunnels it would be hard, those Descent videogames were tricky.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by babypuncher on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:23PM (#31343059)
It is considerably more complicated. Apart from added axes of movement (not just vertical, but pitch/roll), you also have to contend with the fact that air is the only source of friction. Acceleration and breaking are much slower than something with wheels on the ground. There is a reason why flying a plane in Grand Theft Auto is much harder than driving a car, even with the simplified physics and vehicle controls.

If we could make aircraft that handle in our atmosphere like the spaceship in Descent, then that would close the gap a bit. But I'm not holding my breath.

Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by outworlder on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:57PM (#31343530)
The more axis you have to account for, the more complicated it gets.

Go play a car simulation game. Done? Now go play Descent and tell us if it's any easier.

Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by BurningFrog on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @04:05PM (#31345053)
Except when something breaks, and you need an equivalent of parking by the side of the road.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by bayesian_horse on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:27AM (#31350373)
Some factors that complicate the job: Higher speed, more kinetic energy when crashing, aerodynamic lift, uncontrollable regimes...
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by mattmaroon on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:12PM (#31342896)
It is definitely not easier. I mean avoiding a mid air collision might be but that’s rarely what kills a pilot.
Re:Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pil... by jjtheblunt on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:13PM (#31342924)
no : stalls are deadly in 3D, send the ground at you with no control unless one recovers