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Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by JimWestergren on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:39AM (#31203523)
Most popular bank in Sweden. Keep in mind that you don't use cash in Sweden.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by alophawen on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:50AM (#31203589)
Maybe popular, but from the several scandals surrounding that bank in the last few years, you should have changed bank long ago.

(Most recently laundering Russian oligarch money iirc)

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by mschuster91 on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:00AM (#31203651)
Deutsche Bank still is going strong, despite being involved in virtually every scandal of the last decades - hell their offices got raided again just an hour ago [1].

Ordinary consumers don't give a damn about shady dealings of their banks, mostly because unlike phone numbers bank account numbers are not portable. Yes there exist regulations that banks have to assist with direct debit and automated order migration, but it's nevertheless a hassle to switch banks.

[1] https://www.t-online.de/finanzen/news/unternehmen-verbrauche...

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by fest on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:08AM (#31203692)
My Swedbank mortgage agreement even goes as far as to require that I use my account with them as the primary salary account.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by jonwachob91 on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:23AM (#31204236)
Does Swedbank require you to have your primary salary account with them to have your mortgage, or do they require you to have an account with them to receive a discount on your mortgage? B/c those are 2 different things... Thanks in advance for the clarification <3
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by fest on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:37AM (#31271655)
The mortgage rate calculation is intentionally opaque (at least the bank clerks lead you to believe that) and it becomes just one of a multitude of criteria to evaluate my risk of default (and the bank having an advance estimation of any changes in my financial well-being).

This paragraph probably can be contested, if done in advance of signing the agreement, but if every other bank you approach have such a condition (to be fair, the only other bank I approached was SEB, also Scandinavian bank) spending time on arguing about trivialities while selling my soul to get an even worse rate did not seem like a worthwhile pursuit.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by fest on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:55AM (#31271765)
There is not a particular interest rate discount tied to this factor- once negotiated, it becomes a part of agreement. And negotiating this requirement beforehad would to submit another mortgage application.

I don't think any banks here allow you just to have a mortgage agreement without an account at them- they deduct the monthly payment automatically. It might be possible with other types of loans, but I don't think it can be done with mortgages.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by nollbit on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:11AM (#31203702)
Why would you ever sign that?
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by dagw on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:22AM (#31203766)
You get a lower interest rate. Banks generally can't require you to have an account there to get a mortgage, however they can give 'discounts' to customers that also have their accounts at the bank. Close your account and you are no longer a customer and lose the discount.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by fest on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:40AM (#31271673)
Banks frame it as "it's one of the factors used by our opaque black box algorithm to determine your rate". To find out the exact weight of every factor beforehand, I would have to submit N applications, processing of which is on the order of a week or so.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by dagw on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:04AM (#31282988)
When I was 'shopping' for a loan (in Sweden) I got an explicit price list. As in "our base rate is X%, if both of you move your main account here we'll offer you Y% and if also you move your home and car insurance to the insurance company we own then we'll offer you Z%"
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by moogly on Friday April 29, 2022 @12:43PM (#31207463)
That... seems illegal.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by krageon on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:19AM (#31204193)
> laundering

If you try to find a bank that isn't filled with criminal minds, you will never find one.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by saiya-jin on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:09AM (#31203696)
Most popular tends to go in opposite direction of quality - people look at the fees heavily and tend to go to cheapest solutions.

Now it can be claimed that cheap != low quality and there are certainly some exceptions out there, but generally you get what you par for.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by patall on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:31AM (#31203834)
What's a good bank in Sweden, if I may ask? My personal experience is several hours (literally) wasted with Nordea, each time ending with something trivial not working (as someone new in Sweden, i.e only setting up bankID). So far, my personal experience with banking here is several orders of magnitude worse than in Germany, even (or because) everyone is proud on it being soo much more digitalized.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by dcminter on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:52AM (#31203990)
I'm reasonably happy with SEB so far. I originally tried to get an account with SwedBank but they weren't interested until I had a personnummer (legally they're not supposed to refuse on this basis!) SEB were a lot more cooperative and set me up with a basic account (deposit for salary checks plus an ATM card) quickly. Most things seem to be fine through the website.

The one time I had to do some non-standard stuff they were pretty slow and a little disorganised, but it still seemed better than the UK banks I've used previously.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by Phurist on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:06AM (#31204095)
SEB is also quite a boomer bank? Still stuck with legacy numeric "usernames", manual limit changes from the office etc..
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by cjg_ on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:15AM (#31204163)
Username is your national id number, not really something strange in Sweden for banking.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by sigio on Friday April 29, 2022 @11:18AM (#31206255)
OpenBank (part of Santander) also does this.... together with a 4 digit (only) password for internet-banking. Didn't know how fast I wanted to cancel that account after requesting it.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by hypostase on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:48AM (#31203969)
We went with Handelsbanken, because they were the first that let us sign up. So far seems OK. but I've not really done a detailed comparison.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by dagw on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:24AM (#31204239)
I've been very happy with SEB and have found their customer service pretty great, even with pretty complex requests.

The being said, living in Sweden before you get your digital ID set up and everything sorted out in all the right databases seems to be a massive pain. All my non-Swedish colleagues at work have bureaucratic horror stories of their first months in the country.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by johnywalks on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:57AM (#31203636)
I wouldn't say that. SEB is probably the most popular.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by sgt on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:34AM (#31203859)
Not at all? Even in Norway, cash is still used to a small degree.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by ACS_Solver on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:59AM (#31204040)
Sweden's probably even more cashless than Norway.

Even if you have cash, which most people don't, it's hard to spend. Grocery stores still take it so it would actually be useful in this situation, but other than grocery stores I struggle to think of any places in my city that accept cash. Maybe some bigger outlets do, not sure, but restaurants, cafes, takeaway places, small specialty stores and the like certainly do not take cash.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by Symbiote on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:09AM (#31204117)
Visiting Malmö I see restaurants with "card only" signs on the door and in the menu.

Denmark has taken measures to require most businesses to accept cash, but Sweden doesn't seem to have done that. I keep ~1000DKK at home for emergencies, but I haven't purchased anything with cash for... um... a long time. Perhaps once in the last year.

Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by marginalia_nu on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:59AM (#31204036)
I haven't handled physical cash for probably ten years. They redesigned the bills around 2015 and to be honest I'm not even sure how they look anymore.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by sgt on Friday April 29, 2022 @02:24PM (#31208914)
I spent some cash in both Norway and in Amsterdam only last month. Last two times for chocolates, believe it or not.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by moogly on Friday April 29, 2022 @12:44PM (#31207486)
Same, except I never knew how they looked...
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by jdmoreira on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:17PM (#31211223)
I've been living in Sweden for 6 years. Never touched any Swedish cash. I don't even know what it looks like.
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by aaaaaaaaata on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:12AM (#31203706)
You do, today....
Re:Swedbank customers positive balance turned into negative ... by makeitdouble on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:21PM (#31211740)
Irregular events can’t be a barometer though. On the other side of the fence, India also rendered 80+% of its cash unusable overnight.