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Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by ckastner on Monday April 04, 2022 @07:45AM (#30905519)
TWTR is up 24% pre-market.

I don't think there's much that Musk can do to increase Twitter's revenue, but at least the market seems to believe that he can hype this one beyond reasonable valuations, too.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by LewisVerstappen on Monday April 04, 2022 @07:53AM (#30905578)
No, the reason TWTR is up so significantly is because hedge funds are betting that Elon will try to take twitter private.

If he does, there will be a significant share premium paid to current holders from the acquirer.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by chinathrow on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:03AM (#30905659)
Why would he want Twitter private?
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by koolba on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:18AM (#30905763)
Same reason Bezos owns the Washing ton Post.

If you don’t care about directly making money, you can treat the platform as a way to promote or reject whatever messaging you want to millions of users.

If it’s a public company, it’d be subject to the will of the shareholders and have other corporate responsibilities. If it’s private, it can do whatever he wants it.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by depingus on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:30AM (#30907035)
A private corporation is bad because its owner can use it to promote their own personal views. OTOH, a publicly traded corporation is also bad because because, motivated solely by growth, it will eventually need to engage in anti-societal behavior (dangerous algorithms, dark patterns, lobbying, fines as cost-of-doing-business, union-busting, etc). [Is this late-stage capitalism?](butterfly_meme.jpg) Where do we even go from here?
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by VirusNewbie on Monday April 04, 2022 @12:53PM (#30908907)
> OTOH, a publicly traded corporation is also bad because because, motivated solely by growth,

There is nothing that says a public company must only be motivated by growth. Tesla's mission statement doesn't say anything of the sort and has done things that don't fulfill the idea of growth or profit at all costs.

Now you might argue that institutional investors don't care about that since there's an indirection between actual shareholders, but that's a related but different issue.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by SuoDuanDao on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:42AM (#30907191)
I think the best option is to back the right oligarch or, if one can't find an acceptable one, become a better oligarch.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by eric_cc on Monday April 04, 2022 @12:50PM (#30908863)
Blue Sky
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by pjc50 on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:21AM (#30905782)
Man with personal space programme wants personal shitposting platform?
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by colinmhayes on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:07AM (#30906798)
He already has a personal shitpsoting platform.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by adolph on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:46AM (#30906576)
Seems a small price to pay
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by dmschulman on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:18AM (#30905762)
Free speech
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by trompetenaccoun on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:45AM (#30905963)
Haha. The outraged complaints by those who've been repeating that line for years claiming "Twitter is a private company, they can ban who they like" would be epic.

Also I bet they would call to regulate or even nationalize social media platforms as soon as companies like Twitter switch to a more balanced moderation approach and don't aid in amplifying certain politics.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by HereIGoAgain on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:19AM (#30917229)
Oh they already are even before the (potential) fact. "Their right" has suddenly become "NO, NOT LIKE THAT!" overnight. lol
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by bigtex on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:34AM (#30905889)
TO control the negative information about Tesla, Space X, etc.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by tim333 on Monday April 04, 2022 @01:07PM (#30909124)
The Musk hype has done wonders for TSLA shares. I'm not sure he need to take it private.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by loceng on Monday April 04, 2022 @12:17PM (#30908399)
Arguably Twitter isn't worth its market cap.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by lkxijlewlf on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:16AM (#30905751)
Twitter would die quickly if it goes private.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by personjerry on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:45AM (#30906565)
Why would that be? Perhaps you are conflating "privately owned" with "private social network"?
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by tayo42 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:47AM (#30915662)
I'm pretty sure there would be a huge exodus of employees if their rsu disappeared.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by personjerry on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:57PM (#30938511)
That's not what happens when a company goes private
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by s1artibartfast on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:37AM (#30906492)
Why would it make a difference?
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by toomuchtodo on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:21AM (#30905785)
Hard to imagine they could do worse than becoming beholden to someone other than public shareholders at this point. It’s a utility, not a business.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by ehnto on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:02AM (#30906121)
Since we already have a media oligarchy we can't get rid of, maybe it'll help to inject some new blood into it. I don't think Musk has the right answers, but maybe we can hope he won't be copying from Murdoch's homework. Remains to be seen, I suppose.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by sudden_dystopia on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:01AM (#30905642)
I don’t think he cares about revenue. I think he is trying to build a majority share and then take the company private. It is the very fact that twitter is a public company to begin with, that is pushing it to extremes. Social media companies should be banned from the stock market.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by chasd00 on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:06AM (#30905686)
If he takes it private then maybe he could just turn it off and walk away. That would be a huge contribution to society.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by sgt on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:11AM (#30905709)
But a new Twitter would pop up within a month.

It would be called something else that would be easily to remember like Tikker or Woobly.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by swalsh on Monday April 04, 2022 @12:36PM (#30908649)
A new Twitter cannot pop up in a month. A site with all of twitters functionality could. But the value is not in the site, it's in the adoption.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by Vespasian on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:10AM (#30905703)
Given the significance to some politicians I can imagine that they would intervene if it came to that.

Musk has to take care to not overplay his hand.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by pyronik19 on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:15AM (#30906245)
"It's a private company" has been the excuse for the abusive censorship. Are you saying if someone has right wing leanings on free speech that politicians will now change their tune and threaten it?
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by Vespasian on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:41AM (#30907186)
Not at all (under the assumption that a possible Twitter under Elon Musk would continue to adhere to local laws).

But trying to shut down a platform which is considered (by some) "critical infrastructure" might find you in a position where regulations restrict what you can do.

It's not a certainty but a possibility that this might happen (regardless of who is in power at the time.) Many politicians of different leanings use Twitter for communication.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by bambax on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:16AM (#30906257)
Yes! ;-))
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by n0mn on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:20AM (#30906309)
> It is the very fact that twitter is a public company to begin with, that is pushing it to extremes.

I would argue that the drift toward extremism has much more to do with the advertising revenue business model.

Content that enrages, engages. More user engagement = more revenue.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by SuoDuanDao on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:46AM (#30907252)
yes, but being a public company prevents it from doing anything that deliberately lowers revenues. As a private company they'd be less beholden to advertisers.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by Majestic121 on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:10AM (#30905706)
Can you explain how being public pushes Twitter to extremes ?
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by fleddr on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:50AM (#30906614)
A public company needs (endless) growth, it's the only reason to own stock.

Growth in social media means attracting more users and/or increasing engagement of existing users. Civil and reasonable discourse is bad for engagement numbers, outrage and extremism do much better.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by tharne on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:40AM (#30907158)
> Can you explain how being public pushes Twitter to extremes ?

Public companies and their leadership face much more pressure to show profit and growth every 3 months. This pushes them toward short-term thinking and easy ways to juice their numbers. For social media the easiest way to do this is the promote and encourage content that incites outrage, since this drives engagement, which in turn drives ad $$$

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by modeless on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:10AM (#30907559)
He should sell today for 24% profit, then do it again quarterly until it stops popping every time, then take it private.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by no_butterscotch on Monday April 04, 2022 @01:30PM (#30909470)
This is what I was going to say.

Don't reward Wall Street by taking it private at a fat premium for them.

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by drexlspivey on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:12AM (#30905721)
Trump’s Truth Social is worth over $10B and it’s basically a mastodon instance
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by ehnto on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:06AM (#30906158)
Which goes to show that none of these social media companies are built on inimitable technology dominance, there is no technology moat, only a network moat.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by ece on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:37AM (#30907881)
I suppose losing the network moat through decentralization, bad PR and/or anti-trust would be something to worry about then.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by dagw on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:23AM (#30905801)
Trump’s Truth Social is worth over $10B

Source? While it was apparently over $20B at the peak of its value, according to https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/DWAC it seems to currently be bellow $2.5B

Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by drexlspivey on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:48AM (#30906594)
That’s just the float of the SPAC, the merger didn’t go through yet. The prospectus says that after the merger there will be 193.4 million shares outstanding so multiply 193m with the stock price to get a pro forma market cap of $11+B
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by bpicolo on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:58AM (#30906087)
They SPACd before launching a product? Jeez.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by missedthecue on Monday April 04, 2022 @05:32PM (#30912194)
that's most SPACs.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by colinmhayes on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:09AM (#30906820)
Matt Levine was having a field day
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by riffic on Monday April 04, 2022 @12:13PM (#30908342)
you're using a very generous definition of the word "worth" here.
Re:Elon Musk owns 9.2% of Twitter by pjc50 on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:22AM (#30905792)
[citation needed]