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Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by rwalle on Friday April 01, 2022 @10:49AM (#30878582)
This comment is ridiculous. Facebook has some of the best researchers in machine learning and deep learning. And if AI at Facebook were a vanity division, Facebook would never have a viable ad business, and the entire Facebook would have shut down years ago.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by CoastalCoder on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:13PM (#30880649)
> This comment is ridiculous.

I suggest finding more polite ways to critique a post. Otherwise discussions tend to get boring quickly.

Also, the GP was explicitly describing their perception, not trying to promote it as truth. One interesting response would be "I really think that's false. I wonder how we reached such different conclusions."

Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by version_five on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:44PM (#30881048)
The original commenter was talking out of their ass and not remotely qualified to comment, given they gave such a patently false opinion - they are just providing an ignorant hot take. The parent comment to yours is completely appropriate IMO, it's not attacking the poster, it calls out the comment. Your condescending follow-up only takes away from the overall level of discourse, to say nothing of the kind of responses (like mine) is ends up invoking. Nothing wrong with calling out BS, it would be much worse, both in terms of honesty and condescension, to give the fake "I wonder..." that you suggest
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by Fricken on Friday April 01, 2022 @11:07AM (#30878869)
Facebook recorded it's first profit in 2009. FAIR was begun in 2013.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by question_away on Friday April 01, 2022 @11:49AM (#30879451)
Facebook Earnings

2021 $46.75 B

2020 $32.67 B

2019 $24.83 B

2018 $25.37 B

2017 $20.59 B

2016 $12.52 B

2015 $6.21 B

2014 $4.93 B

2013 $2.81 B

2012 $0.54 B

2011 $1.73 B

Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by x-n2o on Friday April 01, 2022 @04:08PM (#30882749)
What happened in 2012?
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by quantum_magpie on Friday April 01, 2022 @04:59PM (#30883250)
They bought insta for 1B
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by akhmatova on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:01PM (#30881280)
Facebook has some of the best researchers in machine learning and deep learning.

Which is exactly why some consider it to be a vanity division.

All that brain power devoted to a company nobody (genuinely) respects, and whose sense of vision -- in the current year, 2022 -- teeters between stale and outright delusional.

But hey, if it gets you $300k a year for easy work and resume cred for the kind of job you really want -- go for it.

Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by cudgy on Saturday April 02, 2022 @11:56AM (#30889142)
Maybe the resume credibility is not what it was once perceived to be. I also find it hard to take Facebook AI seriously and have no reason as of yet to believe it won’t be used for low brow reasons like increasing user addiction to their apps, censorship of user opinions, or increasing advertising engagement. In fact, I am skeptical of AI and ML in general for its effectiveness, purpose, and applications.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by akhmatova on Saturday April 02, 2022 @03:13PM (#30890869)
In fact, I am skeptical of AI and ML in general for its effectiveness, purpose, and applications.

Agreed. It's all about the application and purpose (and the hubris of some of its practitioners), not the theory (or even the demonstrated effectiveness in certain areas).

When we see these disconnects at "work", on the ground -- in terms of lack of relevance / applicability to what the business actually needs -- they are sometimes quite startling, in fact.

Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by la64710 on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:05PM (#30879679)
Just for curiosity , can someone please point out what are the AI things that came out of Febu that is now in the public domain and used everywhere? Like for example Tensorflow from google.

Edit: never mind I found it https://ai.facebook.com/tools/

Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by yunyu on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:06PM (#30879694)
PyTorch
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by adamnemecek on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:06PM (#30879692)
PyTorch
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by aix1 on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:10PM (#30879752)
And in terms of relative popularity of TensorFlow and PyTorch: https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/pytorch-vs-tensorflow-in-202...
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by soramimo on Friday April 01, 2022 @06:22PM (#30883934)
Thanks, this is useful.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by otabdeveloper4 on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:10PM (#30879747)
"AI" isn't used in adtech. Adtech runs on econometrics and stats, rocking it like it's 1964.

t. Almost 20 years of leadership positions in adtech.

Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by mountainriver on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:41PM (#30880212)
Huh? I’ve worked for 3 adtech companies and they all used ML in the core of their products, and it worked really well
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by otabdeveloper4 on Friday April 01, 2022 @03:42PM (#30882456)
AI is a subset of ML.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by davnn on Saturday April 02, 2022 @01:56AM (#30886130)
Rather the other way around.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by formerkrogeremp on Friday April 01, 2022 @10:01PM (#30885245)
Is AI a subset of ML or is AI applied ML? Would that make it AML? Is extensible ML XML? This is confusing.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by version_five on Friday April 01, 2022 @03:59PM (#30882650)
lol
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by dlp211 on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:21PM (#30879910)
What utter nonsense. There are entire bidding platforms built on top of AI/ML. And that is just one aspect of adtech.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by whiplash451 on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:42PM (#30880238)
To be fair, these ad tech platforms are built on top of algorithms that predate the latest AI revolution significantly. Logistic regression and matrix factorization get you very far in adtech. A lot of the performance then comes from heavy engineering.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by dlp211 on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:01PM (#30880497)
The claim was that AI wasn't used in Ad Tech at all. Not the latest AI. I agree with your assessment, but to say that AI/ML isn't used in AdTech is just nonsense. AdTech, especially the last 20 years has been built on core AI/ML concepts. I also highly doubt that the latest AI tech isn't being applied somewhere in the AdTech space, but I left AdTech a while ago and am never looking back.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by MrMan on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:01PM (#30881287)
maybe AI is just ML that uses neural networks trained using a GPU. I tend to never say AI and always say ML, but I am old
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by otabdeveloper4 on Friday April 01, 2022 @03:43PM (#30882470)
"AI" is a specific subset of ML. The kind of ML that is used in adtech is the kind that isn't "AI".
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by kettleballroll on Friday April 01, 2022 @04:07PM (#30882735)
It's the other way around, actually
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by ipaddr on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:06PM (#30881350)
Over confident and wildly incorrect. Leadership rewards this approach.
Re:Meta's A.I. exodus: Top talent quits as lab tries to keep... by mrfox321 on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:37PM (#30880948)
Seems like you are detached from how adtech works at big tech.

They are all powered by neural networks